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Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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throw_m239339 wrote: post #39
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

> I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Doesn't really matter in a dictatorship. Putin is likely to suspend the "right to vote" next and turn Russia into North Korea, officially.

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Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by SyzygistSix »

nxjso9wjf wrote: post #31
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

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I feel that just like many former Pro-Russian Ukrainians, this invasion is the final straw that allowed them to see through the bullshit. And the ones left are fewer in number and more hopelessly mired in their beliefs.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by dunkelheit »

dash2 wrote: post #23
cabirum wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Ukrainans believe there's a "ghost plane" in the sky that destroyed half russian air force.

I doubt they do.

Some of them definitely do. I've watched a few broadcasts from a Ukrainian twitch streamer who remains in Kiev and people are excitedly discussing latest exploits of the ghost of Kiev in chat.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by can16358p »

dragonwriter wrote: post #3
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

> Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense The crackdown on non-state media, especially if it is not exactly in line with the state propaganda message, makes it harder to do that. > Especially if they also start to see a deterioration in their quality of life... A narrative that explains and places blame elsewhere for that is fairly easy with complete control of information, es…

Yup, I add to your second point from my experience.

I live in Turkey and we have a similar state propaganda (though fortunately not war). The government successfully collapsed the economy but they control the mainstream media and their supporters still blame (and truly believe in what they say) the opposition for everything bad that the government does.

Controlling people's mindset is apparently easier than it seems when you control media.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by collaborative »

rectang wrote: post #37
JanSt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gonna send nukes because IKEA stopped sending Billy? I'm not sure Billy will come back that way. Let's face it: Russia is illegaly invading a foreign country that is fighting back hard. The only way I see out for Russia to save itself is by sending Putin into exile and blame it all on him. Putin hoped for weakness in the west re sanctions and weapons. They play hardball and now Putin is failing. edit: I also bel…

I wonder how the Russian population would feel about Putin using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine if it looks like Russia is losing. Are they that far gone, that inhuman? If they are, what do you do about a country like that, who feels that nuking neighbors after your attempt to conquer them fails is justified? I don't believe the Russian people are that far gone.

It's not a popular take, but the USSR spawned lots of nationalism in its republics. Soviet ideology held that nationalism is good, and that it would flourish under socialism for the benefit of its "peoples". The reality is that nationalism ended up eating the USSR itself. Nationalism is never good, we are only one humanity, not many

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by dunkelheit »

ismaildonmez wrote: post #21
cabirum wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Ukrainans believe there's a "ghost plane" in the sky that destroyed half russian air force.

It’s normal, in a war you need myths. Don’t confuse them with government propaganda.

Some of Ukrainian propaganda are myths designed to bolster morale of the local population, some (such as claiming that >10k Russian soldiers are dead, fake videos of Russian POWs, spreading rumors that martial law will be declared on Friday in Russia) is offensive disinformation clearly aimed at Russians.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by elorant »

cabirum wrote: post #20
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

And Ukrainans believe there's a "ghost plane" in the sky that destroyed half russian air force.

How's this comparable? It's a lie that doesn't hurt anyone, instead boosts morale in a country that's under siege.

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Post by SyzygistSix »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #13
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. I remember thinking that way, too, back in 2016.

That's not an apt comparison. It could be if Trump (or anyone else) won or "won" the second election, then modified the constitution to allow himself to run again, and was still in office.

A lot of people accepted the corruption because life became significantly better. And was noticeably freer in some ways, like the allowance of non-state media and the freedom to leave, compared to the Communist era.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by WmWsjA6B29B4nfk »

rectang wrote: post #37
JanSt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gonna send nukes because IKEA stopped sending Billy? I'm not sure Billy will come back that way. Let's face it: Russia is illegaly invading a foreign country that is fighting back hard. The only way I see out for Russia to save itself is by sending Putin into exile and blame it all on him. Putin hoped for weakness in the west re sanctions and weapons. They play hardball and now Putin is failing. edit: I also bel…

I wonder how the Russian population would feel about Putin using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine if it looks like Russia is losing. Are they that far gone, that inhuman? If they are, what do you do about a country like that, who feels that nuking neighbors after your attempt to conquer them fails is justified? I don't believe the Russian people are that far gone.

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