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Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by viraptor »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

> but the EU ain’t at war

Not officially, but they provide arms with explicit purpose of supporting one side and economically punishing the other. That's effectively a proxy war whether we call it one or not.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by yanmaani »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #27
yanmaani wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My concern is that with this, you're not just segregating Russia from the world, you're segregating the EU from the world. You're going to get a new Iron Curtain, only this time, the restrictions are going to be on both sides.

We don’t need Russia. Even China has told Russia to stop the war. Only thing Russia has is gas and we shouldn’t be using fossil fuels anyway. Building of new green nuclear plants should have already been started. If you have fucked that up (like Germans) then that means you need to start hurrying

I am not talking about the economy, I am talking about the Internet. Cutting RT off from the European Internet requires cutting the EU off from large chunks of the global Internet. If Russia responds, that would have the potential to get very ugly.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by orangepurple »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #25
ipaddr wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this just a repeat of the cold war where one side didn't trade with another? All while pointing enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 4 times over. Not sure if this strategy is the safest option globally. Russia wants a buffer from nato give them some assurance.

What assurances do they need? Western world has had peace for decades and only Russians have been the aggressors in any form. They are not getting any kind of buffer in fact do to this invasion they have forced Finland and Sweden to join NATO or face the same fate as Ukraine within the next decade.

You're right, absolutely nothing of note happened in the middle east 2001-2020 /s

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by yanmaani »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #40
yanmaani wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where will you go when they block the VPNs?

A Web3 blockchain distributed serverless onion network

Yes, and I earn money to pay my bills from global business dynamic economy enterprise trading.

How are you to get on the Tor network?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by NicoJuicy »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

They are literally threatening with nukes.

There's plenty of support for having sites like RT.

Greetings from a EU member in Belgium

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by yanmaani »

woodruffw wrote: post #24
yanmaani wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Knowingly and intentionally" seems to apply to the operation (e.g. "you know that you're running a Tor node") - "circumvention" is on the basis of "object or effect". (For ESL speakers: "object" means "goal", "effect" means "result", and Tor obviously has a final, de-facto result of unblocking RT)

This is an overly broad reading. The hypothetical Tor operator's object (i.e. intent) is to run a Tor node, the contents of which they are entirely agnostic to (and may be formally agnostic to, if the traffic is additionally encrypted). To use some abductive reasoning, think about how this would apply generally: the law is clearly not written to ban encryption, even though your interpretation would suggest that any e…

No, encryption isn't going to help, because they can still block on IPs. Encryption plus eSNI helps, and if, for example, Yandex.Cloud sets up a big "shared host," I fully expect that to get the Kharkiv treatment, like Roskomnadzor tried a few years ago with Telegram.

Tor operators can see the IP, they can see the DNS, and their operation has the effect of unblocking RT.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by onion2k »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2

In WW2 there was propaganda broadcast from Germany, in English and in MW to reach the UK and SW to reach the USA, by William Joyce. He was called Lord Haw-Haw because he pretended to by posh. His broadcasts were designed to demoralize the allied countries.

No doubt people in neutral countries tuned in. But that isn't really relevant. The point of the broadcasts was to reach non-neutral people wherever they might be.

He was captured in 1945 and hanged for treason.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw-Haw

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by yanmaani »

viraptor wrote: post #38
im3w1l wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it worrying. Even if Russia is in the wrong here, I do see an RT ban in particular as a dangerous move. Even in wartime I do think it's important to be willing to listen to the other side. They may be wrong about the big picture, but there could still be an interesting tidbit or two to takeaway. All this talk made be go check RT out and one thing I learned is that the flight ban has left Russian tourists stran…

You're aware that RT does not present "the other side", right? As in they don't provide an alternative valid-even-if-misguided/conflicting view. They provide what Kremlin wants them to publish. There are other Russian publications which are still Russia-censored, but are actual news reports which will give you similar information to what you've found. This is not "we ban Russia's news", it's "we ban Russia government…

A determination subject to whom?

1. RT does provide a view, and I would like to hear it, thanks. 2. Who decides what are the "actual news reports"? Who decides that RT is not "valid"?

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