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Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by mjw1007 »

romellem wrote: post #30

Change is hard, naturally there will be some inherent backlash, but one thing I think is a step backwards is the Browser Compatibility table at the bottom. Previously, it had the browser version inline for the cell, now it is just a check mark. To see what version, you need to click on the cell to expand some "more info" section at the bottom. Knowing if a feature was very recently supported or has been supported for…

The relevant feedback issue appears to be this one: https://github.com/mdn/MDN-feedback/issues/20

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by irrational »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #22
StanAngeloff wrote: post #6

> In mid-2021 we started to think about modernizing MDN’s design [..] with an emphasis on improved navigability and a universal look and feel across all our pages. > > A new logo, chosen by our community [..] We worked closely with branding specialist Luc Doucedame Wait, this sounds like redesign for redesign's sake? > Coming soon: MDN Plus [..] In the coming months, we’ll be expanding MDN to include a premium subscr…

An outrageously good resource really, I use it almost every day! Very happy to pay for it.

You do know that MDN is considered to be the official documentation of the web and is backed by Google, MicroSoft, Apple, etc? Why in the world would you think it is okay to pay for something that is less than pocket change to maintain for these multi billion dollar behemoths?

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by irrational »

mariusor wrote: post #34
lloydatkinson wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine it's to try make it seem like MDN is still viable - Mozilla fired a good amount of their staff including allegedly most of the docs team.

You seem to be implying that MDN is no longer the best resource for reading documentation about web technologies. Outside of reading the W3C RFCs, is there something better out there?

W3schools has greatly improved over the years and is often better for a quick lookup.

Re: MDN Redesign

#44

Post by aww_dang »

irrational wrote: post #42
micromacrofoot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An outrageously good resource really, I use it almost every day! Very happy to pay for it.

You do know that MDN is considered to be the official documentation of the web and is backed by Google, MicroSoft, Apple, etc? Why in the world would you think it is okay to pay for something that is less than pocket change to maintain for these multi billion dollar behemoths?

Documentation should be free if you want people to use your platform in a coherent way. MDN has always been refreshing and to the point as compared to other sites.

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by irrational »

999900000999 wrote: post #32

What is this ? Why advertise a service without any details about what it actually is ? On one hand 5$ is a nominal monthly amount to support MDN. But seriously, just ask for money. I'd be more inclined to help if they just wrote a post saying ' servers ain't free, give us money before this turns into w3schools '.

A few years ago Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. sent out a press release saying they were abandoning their own documentation efforts and were going to support MDN going forward, which they now considered to be the official documentation of the web.

The servers certainly should be free. AWS, google cloud, Azure should be hosting MDN for free as part of their commitment they laid forth to support MDN.

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by micromacrofoot »

irrational wrote: post #42
micromacrofoot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An outrageously good resource really, I use it almost every day! Very happy to pay for it.

You do know that MDN is considered to be the official documentation of the web and is backed by Google, MicroSoft, Apple, etc? Why in the world would you think it is okay to pay for something that is less than pocket change to maintain for these multi billion dollar behemoths?

I don't really care about what Google, Microsoft, or Apple do, it's useful to me so I'm happy to pay a small recurring fee for it. I pay for things that provide value to me.

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by irrational »

Does nobody remember these announcements from the past 5 years? Why would MDN need a subscription service? Why are Google, MicroSoft, Amazon, Apple, etc. not hosting MDN for free on their cloud platforms? Heck, why are they not fighting over the privilege to host it and put a big “Hosted on Azure” link at the bottom of every page? Why are these multi billion dollar companies not funding MDN when they claim in press releases to be sponsors? Funding MDN would be less than pocket change to any of these companies, much less all of them that claim to be sponsors.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-brings-microsoft...

https://www.zdnet.com/article/developers-rejoice-microsoft-g...

https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs/updates/introducing...

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by 999900000999 »

irrational wrote: post #45
999900000999 wrote: post #32

What is this ? Why advertise a service without any details about what it actually is ? On one hand 5$ is a nominal monthly amount to support MDN. But seriously, just ask for money. I'd be more inclined to help if they just wrote a post saying ' servers ain't free, give us money before this turns into w3schools '.

A few years ago Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. sent out a press release saying they were abandoning their own documentation efforts and were going to support MDN going forward, which they now considered to be the official documentation of the web. The servers certainly should be free. AWS, google cloud, Azure should be hosting MDN for free as part of their commitment they laid forth to support MDN.

Without seeing their balance sheet we can’t know what their costs are.

Vague promises are one thing, donating enough to support full time employees at MDN is completely different.

Even if the servers are free, they’ll have other costs.

Re: MDN Redesign

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Post by irrational »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #46
irrational wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know that MDN is considered to be the official documentation of the web and is backed by Google, MicroSoft, Apple, etc? Why in the world would you think it is okay to pay for something that is less than pocket change to maintain for these multi billion dollar behemoths?

I don't really care about what Google, Microsoft, or Apple do, it's useful to me so I'm happy to pay a small recurring fee for it. I pay for things that provide value to me.

That’s like paying a subscription to BMW for the seat warmers in your car because they provide value to you.
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