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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by skocznymroczny »

ihateolives wrote: post #7

Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…

I think it's not only about arm vs x86. I have a work provided Thinkpad and work provided Macbook Pro (with Skylake CPU) and I prefer to work on the Macbook for the same reason. It's completely silent 99% of the time, whereas Thinkpad has fans blazing 99% of the time and getting very hot. When I look in task manager, it's the usual suspects - corporate bloatware disguised as data protection and antivirus software, taking 40-50% CPU time when idling. Add Chrome and few apps and you got 90-100% CPU usage most of the time.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by sohkamyung »

moonchrome wrote: post #13

I like this trend, I'm currently looking at next gen Surface Pro X as a replacement for my 2018 MBP. I'm almost there with using remote development on super beefy Windows desktop (waiting for Rider remote development support) - I want a mobile device that's powerful enough for client apps - but I want to offload heavy lifting to a tower that I don't have to listen to whizzing next to my face. I'm not sure why they ke…

> tablet is much more flexible, you can add the keyboard folio if you want it

Maybe it's just me, but I have the first generation Microsoft Surface Go, which I mainly used as a tablet device, but occasionally attach the keyboard to it when I need to do more extensive typing.

Over time, I discovered the connectivity between the keyboard and the tablet became worse, until it finally failed, and the tablet did not recognize the keyboard. Trying a new keyboard did not fix the problem, so I assume the problem is with the connector on the tablet.

For now, I've bought a BT wireless keyboard, which I can use with the tablet.

For that reason, I've soured on tablets with attachable keyboards, and looking for a small (13-14 inch) 2-in-1 laptop for working on the go.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by LAC-Tech »

pjmlp wrote: post #30
skywal_l wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu works like a charm on an HP Envy x360 13.

My Asus 1215 B, sold with Linux pre-installed has a different opinion on the matter.

If you think pre-installed linux is bad, wait until you try pre-installed windows.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

#45

Post by MikusR »

viraptor wrote: post #17
pjmlp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.

I'm a happy native Linux desktop user for almost that long. Preferred it to windows. Let's not exaggerate about "only usable".

There are happy DOS users.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by fsflover »

pjmlp wrote: post #31
viraptor wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a happy native Linux desktop user for almost that long. Preferred it to windows. Let's not exaggerate about "only usable".

My experience with Linux since 1995, kind of proves otherwise, I lost track on hand holding Linux on laptops, including those sold with Linux pre-installed.

Perhaps you chose wrong models? My Librem 15 is flawless with Linux (suspend and everything else works in 100% cases).

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by Mashimo »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #41
ihateolives wrote: post #7

Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…

I think it's not only about arm vs x86. I have a work provided Thinkpad and work provided Macbook Pro (with Skylake CPU) and I prefer to work on the Macbook for the same reason. It's completely silent 99% of the time, whereas Thinkpad has fans blazing 99% of the time and getting very hot. When I look in task manager, it's the usual suspects - corporate bloatware disguised as data protection and antivirus software, ta…

> hen I look in task manager, it's the usual suspects - corporate bloatware disguised as data protection and antivirus software

Similar experience here. If I only had experience with ThinkPads from work I certainly would hate them. Slow, loud and shitty screen.

My T14 Gen1 I run at home at balanced power mode runs quiet and fast. NVMe I could switch, ram upgraded to 32GB, fingerprint reader and windows hallow, all for ~1100 EUR

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by ksec »

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099

This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry can no longer compete. And that is excluding things like speakers, trackpad, and thunderbolt port.

>A spokesperson told Ars Technica that its business customers are being more open to the aspect ratio.

Biggest lie ever. People want 16:10, but for years the industry shove 16:9 to your customer because it was the cheaper panel.

> Arm Cortex-X1 cores at up to 3 GHz

For Context, the Single Core GB5 Scores

Arm Cortex-X1 cores at up to 3 GHz = ~800

Apple M1 ( A14 Core+ ) = ~1700

For PC Laptop counterpart, a 800 GB5 score you are looking at something like AMD Ryzen 7 4700U if it was limited to run at ~10W. So not too bad. Apple is the outliner here.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by vladvasiliu »

pjmlp wrote: post #29
rbanffy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1-based Macs are faster, lighter, offer seamless compatibility, run iOS software, have better screens and better battery life than modern comparable laptops. It's also faster than this Snapdragon chip. And starts from $999. It also runs a really good Unix OS. This laptop still won't run Linux out of the box.

WSL2, as good as it gets.

While I agree WSL2 is pretty good, and it's great that it's available on Windows, you still have to put up with the day-to-day annoyances of the OS.

The general UX is the main reason why I don't use Windows. I actually gave it an honest try in 2020. I was pretty excited about Windows terminal, the inclusion of OpenSSH (I always hated Putty) and even went on the insider channel to test out WSL2, with Docker desktop and everything. And it was better that I had remembered.

But I just gave up after a few months. The laggy search in the start menu, which I had to fix with some registry change to prevent it from searching the web (!?). The random "quick access" folders in the explorer, which also required registry wrangling to remove. Bonus points for all these reverting randomly after an update.

The hidden taskbar, which would become permanently visible in case a window demanded attention, and no way (that I've found) to disable this behavior. However, it seems fixed on Windows 11.

The windows which would look active, with a blinking cursor and everything, but wouldn't actually be active, and input would go to some other random window. New windows starting up behind the active window, etc.

And my favorite: turning on the computer in the middle of the night for some reason if left in hibernation. I had set the GPO to NOT turn on to uninstall updates, so no idea what it was up to.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by ihateolives »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #41
ihateolives wrote: post #7

Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…

I think it's not only about arm vs x86. I have a work provided Thinkpad and work provided Macbook Pro (with Skylake CPU) and I prefer to work on the Macbook for the same reason. It's completely silent 99% of the time, whereas Thinkpad has fans blazing 99% of the time and getting very hot. When I look in task manager, it's the usual suspects - corporate bloatware disguised as data protection and antivirus software, ta…

The difference between laptop with mandatory corporate cruft and same hw without it is quite something. My personal laptop is weaker spec wise that work issued, but is so much snappier.
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