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Re: Ask HN: Google SSO or Password Manager?

#41
Don't rely on Google. The company has proven to be unreliable again and again, and their interests (as an advertising company) cannot align with yours, as a user and a citizen.

I advise to

- get your own domain for cheap. I have .contact for a few $ and I'm happy with it.

- find a trusted email service provider (e.g Fastmail) to host your emails. This allows you to change providers at any time, without the need to inform all your contacts. I just switched from Protonmail to Fastmail and the move took me a minute or two, and I had to do nothing except change the domain configuration and use the Import tool to transfer the messages, calendars and contacts.

- Choose a good open-source synchronizing tool such as Syncthing (fabulous!) and if non suits your needs, fall back onto a reliable cloud service (e.g Dropbox).

- Pick a good, open-source password manager (I use KeePassXC) and sync it across your devices with the tool you just chose. Syncthing is perfect for me because KeePassXC can easily merge any conflict in a single click and I have all my databases available on my devices. You can save them in separate folder if you don't want to have your passwords available on, say, your personal and work devices. Tip: KeePassXC can open and unlock multiple databases at once: https://keepassxc.org/docs/KeePassXC_UserGuide.html#_automat...

The benefit of a password manager is that you can

- track all your account in one place, e.g which address is associated with which service

- audit your passwords (strength, uniqueness…)

- review each entries history (revert to old password, recall old logins…)

- store data related to your accounts (member ID, personal notes…)

- attach files (I'm saving some QR code in my databases, for loyalty card for instance)

- keep misc confidential info such as digicodes, credit card details, Wifi passwords…

I don't know any of my passwords except those of my devices and of my passwords databases. I let the manager generate them for me and make sure I have multiple backups of my databases.

I also use andOTP for 2FA codes, to separate them from the passwords. But andOTP support auto backups so I can quickly restore everything if I ever lose my smartphone (backup secured with OpenPGP, whose password is stored in KeepassXC of course).

Re: Ask HN: Google SSO or Password Manager?

#42
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of orgs will (for security reasons) treat your Google OAuth login, and a email+password login as two distinct accounts, even if they are on the same email address. So it is possible that if Google shuts your account, and you migrate your email to a different provider - you will still lose access to your service account.

Well, that's one reason why using Google SSO wasn't on my list of things to do.

Misread your comment, my bad.

Re: Ask HN: Google SSO or Password Manager?

#43
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I would choose a password manager. With Google SSO you will always be dependent on their services, if they get down, they get hacked (which is very unlikely at the moment, but things might change) or someone compromises your google account you will be lost.

Are there big email providers, maybe paid, where potentially should be more reliable. Meaning at least they have a customer-service and you will not get locked out by the script?

I've heard good stuff from ProtonMail. It also adds a lot of security to email, if this of concern to you.

Re: Ask HN: Google SSO or Password Manager?

#44

You can have many copies of your password manager database in many places, but you have only one Google. If you lose one thing, what would you rather lose? If you lose a password database, restore a backup. If you lose access to Google, what then? You can't restore a backup of Google. Stick around HN long enough, and within a week, you'll read stories of people losing access to their Google accounts for unexplained r…

When I think of this shouldn't then people consider google business account? Which costs money but has also support? Doesn't then risk of random lock out go to zero? I don't know if anyone can create account there, but it just came on my mind.

Re: Ask HN: Google SSO or Password Manager?

#45
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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do have some additional management overhead, but a good registrar will bug you well before your domain expires if they aren't able to auto renew it for some reason. You also have a 30 day grace period after it expires before someone else grabs it.

They need to bug me by mail and by phone. Last time my payment couldn't be processed, I lost email for a week (didn't notice because I was reading email in an email client that pulls from both my custom domain and gmail). Once I brought the domain back up, many of the missed emails did come through including ones from the registrar saying that I needed to fix my payment info...

I had a similar scenario happen, where my domain expired without me realizing and my incoming emails slowed down as DNS caches expired. I finally realized it after a few days when I hadn't received an email that I was expecting, and once I renewed the domain I got a flood of emails that I had missed.

After that, I was much more careful about where my domain registration emails go.

Re: Ask HN: Google SSO or Password Manager?

#46
post #21

Password manager without question (just make sure it is one with strong security) SSO to me exists for the sole purpose of keeping you locked into their platform. I have a "professional" email that I previously hosted on google with gsuite. I used that account a few times as SSO. Now even though I have moved that email off of google, I continue to pay gsuite just so I don't loose access to that account and anything I…

It's a bit of a hack but you should be able to convert that Google account to Google Cloud Identity which is free for up to 50 users. You'll lose gmail, etc. but you'll keep playstore purchases.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gsuite/comments/s7t45q/g_suite_lega...

Re: Ask HN: Google SSO or Password Manager?

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citations required. Are you referring to Android spam developers?

Not sure if these are spam devs, but these are from fairly established accounts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30401241 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30345201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29428922 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26061935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23183821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22294159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17745761 https://news.ycom…

This is insane of course, but I have no idea how to avoid Google in the modern tech world, especially if you use the Android platform.

Re: Ask HN: Google SSO or Password Manager?

#49

You aren't going to have all your accounts able to use Google, not everyone offers it. So you are going to need to use a password manager in any case. I use Bitwarden and like it, my wife uses it but is only ok about it. Now, as far as Google vs. Password manager on sites that do support it: Google can be convenient, but there is the infrequent, but apparently very real risk of Google locking your account, and throug…

> there is the infrequent, but apparently very real risk of Google locking your account

Or the very real scenario where you've been using a free Google Workspace account (is that what it's called these days) with a custom domain, and suddenly Google wants to start charging you for it. Meanwhile you've "logged in with Google" using that account across many, many sites and Google hasn't offered anyway to migrate away from that. So you either pay up or lose access to any of those accounts.

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