Any plans for 15" anytime soon?
I just hope my current laptop can hold out till whenever that is, else it'll have to be the 16" MBP with $400 for 32GB RAM upgrade :(
Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
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I find it interesting that the mbp garnered so much attention from tech folk. Perf AVG, build eh. Ethos...terrible. yet still. Gets people in the door to buy it. Humans are wack.
> Perf AVG, build eh What kind of MBP have you looked at? I agree with the ethos part, but the current M1 devices are pretty unique in the laptop space.
Pro. It perfs incredibly well in a bunch of areas it was expected to.
Con. It can't even run code from a whole segment of apps because of archi it's built on.
Result - Perf was nothing out of line with expected results from what you'd expect the market to come up with for the next range of products.
It's really nothing special from the user end of things.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the problem with trying to please power users. There is no monolithic bloc of them. They all want different things. AMD vs Intel? Touchscreens? Strong opinions about screen aspect ratio and resolution, keyboard layout, touchpads, wifi chipset brand, GPU brand, etc.? All there. I wish the company luck, but they are targeting the most picky consumer market there is.
Isn't this supposed to be a strength of framework? Their machines are pretty modular. Users should get to pick and choose AMD vs Intel, keyboard layouts, wifi chipsets without framework having to design different machines for each configuration.
Keyboards and wifi are one thing (both already modular) but the CPU is integrated into the mainboard and an AMD-based board would presumably need different AMD chipsets and so on beyond simply the CPU itself. That's "modular" in the sense that the chassis is designed for swappable mainboards, but it's much more involved to support.
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#44Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)
This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…
> The mac-book killer was very much hyperbole from paid reviewers.
Hold on. Which reviewers received payments in return for positive coverage of the laptop?
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…
I also do have the battery drain issue running 21.10. I'm generally otherwise super happy with it though. The speakers don't bother me much, they're good enough for calls, and if I'm actually trying to listen to music I'll just use actual bluetooth speakers or headphones. I'm most happy about the fact that they put an actually decent screen and key switches. Many other laptops that run Linux have shitty 1080p screens…
Some big points there, I can't even get the 64gb Macbook because they decided not to bring more than 32 into my country. So being able to get whatever I want from amazon at market rates is amazing (and probably the biggest feature of this laptop)
There is an issue with ram timings not being supported that affects the more flashy ram chips. I was lucky enough that it didn't affect the 32gb module I bought but it could've been a return (they need to update the supported ram timings in the bios but haven't)
I really like the keyboard, although I would prefer the layout was more macbooky (the function key kills me but I've swapped it with the ctrl) and the screen I'm pretty happy with. The 100% / 200% scaling thats supported in fedora though is awkward. 100 is a bit squinty 200 is waay to big.
I like the laptop but have struggled to use it. I'm starting to wonder if my touchpad is actually defective.
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> Perf AVG, build eh What kind of MBP have you looked at? I agree with the ethos part, but the current M1 devices are pretty unique in the laptop space.
Pro. It perfs incredibly well in a bunch of areas it was expected to. Con. It can't even run code from a whole segment of apps because of archi it's built on. Result - Perf was nothing out of line with expected results from what you'd expect the market to come up with for the next range of products. It's really nothing special from the user end of things.
The MacBook Pro 2021 M1? It is totally something special:
1) The hardware is first class. Everything is back where it should be and improved. You can't get hardware like this anywhere else. 2) It is extremely fast. Nothing ever slows down. I can't figure out anything to throw at this thing that will turn on the fan even. 3) It just works. No drama. This is very valuable if your real value is writing code and not doing sys admin.
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#47Those complaining about Linux power drain: are you using deep, or s2idle? I find deep to be pretty close to windows with power drain on my framework.
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Anecdotal, so obviously YMMV. On battery - I am using "sleep then hibernate", which typically means 4-6% of battery drain overnight which happens while it is in first ~2hrs of sleep mode. Of course it means you now spend 30sec booting up, but I can live with that. On touchpad - weird, my experience is opposite. I'd say this is the closest to Macbook experience I had, no issues whatsoever. Speakers are a bit quiet, ag…
The sleep then hibernate sounds promising. But is it something you need to configure yourself?
On Linux? Yes.
Changing the mode is just a matter of changing one line in one file. But getting hibernate to actually work is a bit of hassle, especially if you have any kind of encryption or non-standard file system. This said - I managed to get mine working on encrypted Btrfs.
Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…
> The mac-book killer was very much hyperbole from paid reviewers. Hold on. Which reviewers received payments in return for positive coverage of the laptop?
None of them did. I think this person is just making that up.
Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
#50Any plans for 15" anytime soon? I just hope my current laptop can hold out till whenever that is, else it'll have to be the 16" MBP with $400 for 32GB RAM upgrade :(
I'm really hopeful a 15" is not too distant (but seems like it might be). I have an aging Dell XPS 9550, but there's not been much I've wanted to jump at. I looked briefly at the System76 Kudu - are there any go-to 15" Linux-friendly workstations?
It seems a lot of developer-type folks have moved to cloud focused work, at least in my bubble the raw computing power seems to be less and less valued.