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Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

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Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#41

Post by ygjb »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #28
lordfoom wrote: post #7

I, for one, am encouraged to see Mozilla try and create new revenue streams. I hope I am not the lone positive voice in the thread - it does seem no company gets quite the same level of criticism as Mozilla on HN

Because Mozilla, from all the looks of it, has turned from a company that innovated in the web, into a cash cow providing its CEO with means to support her luxurious lifestyle. This, as well as the fact that if I’d like to donate to the browser specifically, I can’t, screams “money laundering” and “corruption” to me. What else it is, if abysmal company performance is rewarded with bonuses? Now there will come those s…

It is clear from your tone that you won't be convinced by any argument, but why is it that this particular CEO earning a high salary is "money laundering" and "corruption"?

Mozilla and Firefox developers are still actively engaged in web standards, and are still punching above their weight in terms of building a web browser with a small team, and narrow revenue streams.

I don't necessarily agree that Mozilla has the right leadership, but how do you expect that leadership to change constructively if the pay isn't competitive with other tech companies of similar size and scale (1/2 Billion in revenue, and hundreds of millions of users)?

Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#42

Post by Fnoord »

ygjb wrote: post #32
k_bx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am puzzled why didn’t they lunch their own VPN to the world and instead got a rebranded one and it’s still restricted only to few countries. To me that’s another proof they’re just not great at operating.

I am puzzled about why you're puzzled! They knew they weren't good at executing on something, so they partnered with a company with a proven track record, and leveraged their brand to make sure both Mozilla and their partner got value. It's a very successful business model, and has been used everywhere (entertainment is a great example, most IP owners license the creation of content outside of their immediate domain…

Also, they rebranded a quality one. Mullvad has an excellent track record. It was one of the first VPNs to support WireGuard, and its one of the very few which can be paid by with cash money.

That said, 3 million USD/year is a ridiculous wage for a non-profit (even if its a for-profit-in-non-profit construction). There's no function in the world which warrants such a wage.

Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#43

Post by WesolyKubeczek »

cinntaile wrote: post #40
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Mozilla, from all the looks of it, has turned from a company that innovated in the web, into a cash cow providing its CEO with means to support her luxurious lifestyle. This, as well as the fact that if I’d like to donate to the browser specifically, I can’t, screams “money laundering” and “corruption” to me. What else it is, if abysmal company performance is rewarded with bonuses? Now there will come those s…

Money laundering and corruption makes it a bit hard to take you seriously. What money do they need to launder exactly? It's good that Mozilla is trying to diversify its income streams, it's a bit worrying when they are so dependent on Google.

Turning the anti-monopoly racket protection money from Google into rent for Mozilla’s executives while the company is consistently underperforming when it comes to its stated goals does sound like corruption.

In an underperforming company, executives have no grounds for rewards or raises. In a still-healthy company, they would likely have been replaced.

Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#44

Post by WesolyKubeczek »

ygjb wrote: post #41
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Mozilla, from all the looks of it, has turned from a company that innovated in the web, into a cash cow providing its CEO with means to support her luxurious lifestyle. This, as well as the fact that if I’d like to donate to the browser specifically, I can’t, screams “money laundering” and “corruption” to me. What else it is, if abysmal company performance is rewarded with bonuses? Now there will come those s…

It is clear from your tone that you won't be convinced by any argument, but why is it that this particular CEO earning a high salary is "money laundering" and "corruption"? Mozilla and Firefox developers are still actively engaged in web standards, and are still punching above their weight in terms of building a web browser with a small team, and narrow revenue streams. I don't necessarily agree that Mozilla has the…

Do you think that Mozilla lately producing flops instead of products (except for the browser, but that is slowly turning into a flop too) is all because its CEO is “underpaid”?

Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#46

Post by k_bx »

ygjb wrote: post #32
k_bx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am puzzled why didn’t they lunch their own VPN to the world and instead got a rebranded one and it’s still restricted only to few countries. To me that’s another proof they’re just not great at operating.

I am puzzled about why you're puzzled! They knew they weren't good at executing on something, so they partnered with a company with a proven track record, and leveraged their brand to make sure both Mozilla and their partner got value. It's a very successful business model, and has been used everywhere (entertainment is a great example, most IP owners license the creation of content outside of their immediate domain…

You didn’t address the second point: why after such a long time (years?) can’t I still buy it, even rebranded?

Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#47

Post by vintermann »

JimDabell wrote: post #29
vintermann wrote: post #16

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We're swamped with blogspam. I already attach "mozilla" or "mdn" to some searches, like some people attach "reddit", because information about base web technology is far better there than on w3cschools or $random_medium_post

> w3cschools There is no such thing. There is the W3C, an international standards consortium that has published standards relating to the WWW, and there is W3Schools (no “C”), who seemingly picked the name to confuse people into thinking they were somehow a part of the W3C, which they frequently succeed at. The two organisations are not associated with each other in any way.

Sorry, I thought the address looked odd. I blocked it from search results with an extension long ago.

Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#48

Post by sofixa »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #43
cinntaile wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money laundering and corruption makes it a bit hard to take you seriously. What money do they need to launder exactly? It's good that Mozilla is trying to diversify its income streams, it's a bit worrying when they are so dependent on Google.

Turning the anti-monopoly racket protection money from Google into rent for Mozilla’s executives while the company is consistently underperforming when it comes to its stated goals does sound like corruption. In an underperforming company, executives have no grounds for rewards or raises. In a still-healthy company, they would likely have been replaced.

That's neither money laundering nor corruption.

Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#49

Post by ygjb »

k_bx wrote: post #46
ygjb wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am puzzled about why you're puzzled! They knew they weren't good at executing on something, so they partnered with a company with a proven track record, and leveraged their brand to make sure both Mozilla and their partner got value. It's a very successful business model, and has been used everywhere (entertainment is a great example, most IP owners license the creation of content outside of their immediate domain…

You didn’t address the second point: why after such a long time (years?) can’t I still buy it, even rebranded?

Are you in a region that isn't supported? I can buy it from Canada :/

Re: Mozilla prepares to launch MDN Plus in March 2022

#50

Post by AnonHP »

ygjb wrote: post #32
k_bx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am puzzled why didn’t they lunch their own VPN to the world and instead got a rebranded one and it’s still restricted only to few countries. To me that’s another proof they’re just not great at operating.

I am puzzled about why you're puzzled! They knew they weren't good at executing on something, so they partnered with a company with a proven track record, and leveraged their brand to make sure both Mozilla and their partner got value. It's a very successful business model, and has been used everywhere (entertainment is a great example, most IP owners license the creation of content outside of their immediate domain…

You didn’t answer the main question of the GP, as to why Mozilla VPN hasn’t been launched in many more countries. After all, the service from Mullvad can be bought directly from most countries…tens of countries more than where Mozilla VPN is currently available.
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