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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by mastazi »

sliken wrote: post #27
markdown wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this, you know this, and OP has for damned sure just realised this, as has anyone else who's read this post. What the purpose of your comment? It's not helpful.

Many people have a naive trust of free services. If your livelyhood/business depends on uploaded files, do not trust Facebook, Youtube, Gmail, Google docs, etc to store it forever. I think it's important to mention that such trust is misplaced and risky, ALWAYS make backups. Sure it's generally common sense for many, but the OPs story is a nice example.

> Many people have a naive trust of free services.

I don't think that that's particularly true of HN readership though.

If GP's comment was on a more mainstream forum e.g. Reddit, then I would agree with you, but as it stands it feels a bit gratuitous.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by jdhendrickson »

sitkack wrote: post #29

If the account can still login in any capacity, please attempt a takeout of the the youtube account. https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout/custom/youtube?p... This will generate a link that could possibly have an archive of every video uploaded by that account. You don't have have any contact information listed on your account page. Please do so.

I have added contact information, sorry about that, take out reports less than one megabyte.

"Unable to access a Google product If you've been redirected to this page from a particular product, it means that your access to this product has been suspended."

This is so incredibly frustrating. I wish I had asked on hacker news before trying for so long to get a response from google.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by pc86 »

mvanbaak wrote: post #39
rco8786 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "the cloud" isn't a panacea for your storage needs. Except that is exactly how cloud companies market themselves. That is exactly what cloud companies have been telling consumers for a decade+. Right up to the point of commercials showing someone lose a device and saying “no worries, it’s all in the cloud!”, etc. We’ve been told for years that our data is safer in the cloud than it is on our own devices. That the c…

'The Cloud' is just someone else's computer. Nothing more nothing less

In a thread full of unhelpful, pedantic comments this is a podium finisher for sure.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by jquery »

Ekaros wrote: post #17
kozziollek wrote: post #6

Was her Youtube account removed or whole Google account? I might need to rethink uploading my Factorio speedruns to YT...

As long as they are public, there is probably no problems. Though I'm not sure how they respond to low popularity content. Still, safest option might be to use unconnected account for it.

It would be nice if YouTube was more transparent about their retention policies.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by dang »

implying wrote: post #3

As useless and pithy it is to say "just restore from backup", having your livelihood (or a significant time investment) depend on a system far outside of your control, where you have no service guarantees or even a billable relationship, is a fairly shaky ground to stand on. Ultimately if you spend your time producing digital assets, you should have taken action to ensure you had ownership and control over them somew…

> you should have

Please don't scold someone who's already in a shitty situation, or lecture them with the obvious. That breaks the HN guidelines, notably this one: "Be kind."

It's extremely easy to do this kind of thing on the internet and not as easy to realize the effect it has on people, and also on the community.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by [deleted] »

rco8786 wrote: post #16
smoldesu wrote: post #2

> youtube deleted 700 videos created for internal training for our company I don't mean to be an asshole, but nobody guarantees you that your videos will stay up perpetually on YouTube. Especially if you've got hundreds of private or unlisted videos, it doesn't particularly surprise me that YouTube would pull them down, even if only for petty reasons. If you've been following the state of their website over the past…

> "the cloud" isn't a panacea for your storage needs. Except that is exactly how cloud companies market themselves. That is exactly what cloud companies have been telling consumers for a decade+. Right up to the point of commercials showing someone lose a device and saying “no worries, it’s all in the cloud!”, etc. We’ve been told for years that our data is safer in the cloud than it is on our own devices. That the c…

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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by ForHackernews »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #12
implying wrote: post #3

As useless and pithy it is to say "just restore from backup", having your livelihood (or a significant time investment) depend on a system far outside of your control, where you have no service guarantees or even a billable relationship, is a fairly shaky ground to stand on. Ultimately if you spend your time producing digital assets, you should have taken action to ensure you had ownership and control over them somew…

I hope she can recover those videos. Aside from not backing up initially, I’m also wondering why or if she did anything after getting those 3 strike warnings :$

What can you do? Isn't a bot? It's not like you can respond and explain yourself.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by rootusrootus »

_dain_ wrote: post #36
implying wrote: post #3

As useless and pithy it is to say "just restore from backup", having your livelihood (or a significant time investment) depend on a system far outside of your control, where you have no service guarantees or even a billable relationship, is a fairly shaky ground to stand on. Ultimately if you spend your time producing digital assets, you should have taken action to ensure you had ownership and control over them somew…

How are normies supposed to know this?

Things like this happen, get escalated to the media, and it creates public awareness of the risks of hosting digital content only in the cloud on servers that you don't own and don't even pay for.

In other words, the next generation of normies will probably understand this because of people before them learning the hard way.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by suzzer99 »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #4

Thanks for the reminder. Personally I do my part to caution all of my friends and family to not host things they don't want to lose somewhere where they aren't paying the bills. It's odd that otherwise smart businesspeople think that companies will store their files forever, without being paid for it.

Well they could at least give you a chance to download your own content first.
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