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What are your company's anti-values?

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Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by hutzlibu »

tux3 wrote: post #37
sakarisson wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do agree that the honesty is refreshing. That said, I personally feel like the mentality of "We will fire you if you aren't doing an _exceptional_ job" reads as a serious red flag. The implication here is that you should expect to work overtime and prioritize your job over all else. Even then, we might still fire you. Of course I'd rather have a company being open and upfront about their unsustainable expectations,…

>The implication here is that you should expect to work overtime and prioritize your job over all else. I don't think that's right. The slide says: """ Hard Work — Not Relevant We don't measure people by how many hours they work or how much they are in the office [...] Sustained B-level performance despite effort generates severance Sustained A-level performance despite minimal effort is rewarded """ The message seem…

"But I don't think they value overtime at all. "

But they do value putting the company over yourself (and your real family).

This can probably have very toxic effects, if you are having problems at home for example (sick kids or whatever) and all they allways care about, is your performance right now. So definitely not the place for me - as I would never put a company over my children (and it sounds like this is expected, even though they would likely never phrase it this way), but there are people without family, who have their work as top priority, so this might work out for them.

Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by blitzar »

zivkovicp wrote: post #25
krageon wrote: post #5

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> it seems only assholes and sociopaths are transparent in this regard Every C-level employee is an asshole and probably a sociopath, if this was true every company would be transparent. As that isn't the case, we know that it does not necessarily have anything to do with being an asshole or a sociopath.

> Every C-level employee is an asshole and probably a sociopath My experience has been mixed, there were good ones also, but only at the small and medium sized businesses.

Small and even medium sized businesses dont really have C-level employeees. They might have titles that sound like that - but they dont sit on a different floor where mere mortal workers security passes are not permissioned to travel.

Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by detaro »

blitzar wrote: post #42
zivkovicp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every C-level employee is an asshole and probably a sociopath My experience has been mixed, there were good ones also, but only at the small and medium sized businesses.

Small and even medium sized businesses dont really have C-level employeees. They might have titles that sound like that - but they dont sit on a different floor where mere mortal workers security passes are not permissioned to travel.

> but they dont sit on a different floor where mere mortal workers security passes are not permissioned to travel.

Why is that a requirement to be "really C-level"?

Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by blitzar »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #21
straffs wrote: post #2

There is a cultural aspect to this. American often try to be pro-stuff. French are always anti-stuff (pro life in the US, anti abortion in France, etc)

Does that actually result in any meaningful differences between these countries in the debate?

Its not an election issue in one of those countries, and in the other it is ... I doubt you even need to take a public stand on exactly what your position is on the issue to run for office.

Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by [deleted] »

lbriner wrote: post #4

The trade-off question is interesting. I think for us, an implied anti-value would be "Focus on the core product and say no to some customers " As OP said, no-one would deny that focusing on the core product is bad but at what cost? We have failed in the past by taking on custom work for the cash, and it helped us bootstrap. But to scale, the custom work needs to go away and we need to give the maximum value to the b…

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Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by petepete »

papito wrote: post #29
dusted wrote: post #11

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I'm finding that Netflix slide incredibly toxic, I'd never want to work for Netflix after reading that, no matter how skilled I was (they wouldn't want me anyway so nobody lost anything).

I think claiming that "we are a family" is actually the toxic one. It's incredibly dishonest to claim that. No one gets fired from a family because the family is "right-sizing".

"we're a family but if you don't do well enough gtfo"

Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by pydry »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #10

The most famous anti-value was "Don't be evil" and look where that ended up. "Don't be a dick" has good practical mileage. The Kantian ideal of the Kingdom of Ends is pretty good one if you formulate it as "Don't use people", but that's too high a standard for almost any business today (especially the ones whose entire model is "using people"). One of my personal maxims is "Lead people not into temptation". In other…

"Don't be evil" was a good value. Google just didn't want to be bound by it.

Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by ido »

papito wrote: post #29
dusted wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm finding that Netflix slide incredibly toxic, I'd never want to work for Netflix after reading that, no matter how skilled I was (they wouldn't want me anyway so nobody lost anything).

I think claiming that "we are a family" is actually the toxic one. It's incredibly dishonest to claim that. No one gets fired from a family because the family is "right-sizing".

I don't think that's the part OP was speaking against.

Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by blitzar »

detaro wrote: post #43
blitzar wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small and even medium sized businesses dont really have C-level employeees. They might have titles that sound like that - but they dont sit on a different floor where mere mortal workers security passes are not permissioned to travel.

> but they dont sit on a different floor where mere mortal workers security passes are not permissioned to travel. Why is that a requirement to be "really C-level"?

You cant be mixing with the little people, and of course there has to be executive bathrooms. I hear you can catch being poor from a toilet seat.

Re: What are your company's anti-values?

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Post by rightbyte »

papito wrote: post #29
dusted wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm finding that Netflix slide incredibly toxic, I'd never want to work for Netflix after reading that, no matter how skilled I was (they wouldn't want me anyway so nobody lost anything).

I think claiming that "we are a family" is actually the toxic one. It's incredibly dishonest to claim that. No one gets fired from a family because the family is "right-sizing".

It is a platitude, not toxic.

Being a "pro sportsteam" on the other hand could be considered toxic. I know of no more cut throat legal business than sports. They are aggressivly signaling that they push KPI missers out.

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