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UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

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Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

#41
post #25

Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.

To be honest the motivation to keep our children (or people more generally) safe seems way more clear to me that the motivation… to prevent people from having private conversations… to what end?

To expand the total surveillance even further? It seems to me that every government, no matter how liberal or progressive, loves surveillance. Look at how quick European governments started to vacuum up the data from mobile operators when COVID broke out - all "for your safety", of course.

Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

#42
It's sad because obviously banning E2EE will make pretty much zero difference in keeping children safe.

Pedofiles and abusers will just install E2EE apps manually or use one of the zillion systems to send E2EE messages.

As an example, banning movie piracy had zero effect in stopping emule, torrents and illegal streaming.

Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

#43
Hats off! It's an efficient move--collecting a salary and pension while forcing nerds in a different country to do your job for you--for free! If only they were this concerned about the children in Rochdale...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

#46
I am strongly against child abuse, and have never seen a campaign against child abuse that didn't seem like a callous attempt to use something that in many people's minds is infinitely heinous as a pascal's wager to get people to do whatever they wanted

It feels absolutely horrible to be in a position where I have to be skeptical of any proposed way to stop children being abused, because someone is likely trying to pull the wool over my eyes about an authoritarian power grab they are trying to do, but that's a rational response to the world we live in

Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

#47
post #25

Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.

To be honest the motivation to keep our children (or people more generally) safe seems way more clear to me that the motivation… to prevent people from having private conversations… to what end?

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Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest the motivation to keep our children (or people more generally) safe seems way more clear to me that the motivation… to prevent people from having private conversations… to what end?

Except that Removing encryption actively endangers children (and everyone else).

That’s a different argument than “they’re not trying to keep kids safe”

Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

#50

Not a web person, but isn't https end-to-end encryption

Only in the sense that Zoom got lambasted for calling their original setup E2EE. "Well technically our servers that log everything are a end of the communication". At least in the states they faced legal penalties for such a claim (albeit a slap on the wrist).

If the other "end" you are talking to is their server, then it's end-to-end encryption. If the other end is another person's computer, and their server is only one jump on the way there, then it's not end-to-end. Clearly, with Slack, "their server" was not the other "end" in anyone's mind; so they were being disingenuous. But for many cases (banking), their server _is_ the other end.
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