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Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

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Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

#41

I'd like anyone who considers more harsh jail punishments to be the solution to consider that the USA has the highest per-capita prison population in the world. Only 1/5 of those prisoners is in there for drug-related crime. Perhaps harsher punishments aren't going to help here.

I don't want to incarcerate a first-time shoplifter, but a habitual thief deserves to spend some time in jail, and the threat of jail will deter people from being habitual thieves.

Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

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That's what poor and backwards cultures do and we are far from that point. Would anyone sincerely trust the government with the authority to chop off a hand. From personal experience, it is really easy to frame someone for theft. There must be no mean streets in your past.

Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

#43

I'd like anyone who considers more harsh jail punishments to be the solution to consider that the USA has the highest per-capita prison population in the world. Only 1/5 of those prisoners is in there for drug-related crime. Perhaps harsher punishments aren't going to help here.

If only 1/5th of those prisoners are there for drug-crime (and I assume you believe as I do that much drug-related crime isn't worth the arrest?) then isn't that in fact evidence that our population commits substantially more _real_ crime than in other countries?

If so, then yes, let's lock them up. "Everyone steals" is not a good defense to stealing.

Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

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Or perhaps poverty and inequality are to blame? If people had a place in society and could afford basic things, why would they steal?

Because it's fun, easy, and beats working.

Unless we arrest, prosecute, and imprison them. Or punish them other ways; how about flogging? It's arguably both a better deterrent and more humane than prison.

Saying "Sure, go ahead!" is better for no one.

Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

#46

I'd like anyone who considers more harsh jail punishments to be the solution to consider that the USA has the highest per-capita prison population in the world. Only 1/5 of those prisoners is in there for drug-related crime. Perhaps harsher punishments aren't going to help here.

I don't want to incarcerate a first-time shoplifter, but a habitual thief deserves to spend some time in jail, and the threat of jail will deter people from being habitual thieves.

If they spend time in jail after the first time, maybe they won't become a habitual thief.

Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

#47

I'd like anyone who considers more harsh jail punishments to be the solution to consider that the USA has the highest per-capita prison population in the world. Only 1/5 of those prisoners is in there for drug-related crime. Perhaps harsher punishments aren't going to help here.

I don't want to incarcerate a first-time shoplifter, but a habitual thief deserves to spend some time in jail, and the threat of jail will deter people from being habitual thieves.

> the threat of jail will deter people from being habitual thieves.

It'd appear though that given probability, an American is more likely to be in jail than the citizen of any other country, but even with this high threat of jail, these crimes seem to be on the rise.

Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

#48

I'd like anyone who considers more harsh jail punishments to be the solution to consider that the USA has the highest per-capita prison population in the world. Only 1/5 of those prisoners is in there for drug-related crime. Perhaps harsher punishments aren't going to help here.

For that conclusion, wouldn't you need to show that the USA has a higher rate of shoplifting and also a higher rate of incarcerated shoplifters per capita?

Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

#49

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I agree that the complicit DAs and recent lax attitudes towards crime are probably a root cause, but it's almost too easy to blame "woke" everything. If everyone woke went away tomorrow, our society would still have many of these problems. Personally? I think it's just the chickens coming home to roost on the degradation of our society since the 1970s and it's acceleration since the 2008 financial collapse, but it co…

not degradation of society at large, it's typically the usual suspects.

I don't know who these "usual suspects" would be in this context. However, I do think our society has degraded and it's possible to measure in many ways - wages, access to education, healthcare outcomes, outlook for the future etc...

Re: Shoplifting reaches crisis proportions

#50

High inflation? A pandemic disrupting millions of people's income? Rising inequality? Colour me surprised.

These people aren't shoplifting to get their needs and to propose such so am ignorance of the situation.

There was a wonderful and detailed article a while back about a baby formula shoplifting ring in the south that shows how this works. The people who are doing the shoplifting are often drug addicts who are promised cash payments or more drugs if they will go and shoplift by a middle man who then stockpiles the good and resales them on line. This isn't Jean Valjean stealing bread this is organized crime seeking to illicitly source goods.

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