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Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by SpaghettiX »

onli wrote: post #16
SpaghettiX wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't get confused by the myriads of state management solutions. Just use GetX, it's a sane solution that works as advertised. Saying this doesn't help anyone. There are many alternatives and as you say, they compete fiercely for Github stars. GetX is popular package, but it has it's drawbacks: maintainer and bloat. - Maintainer: he's been known to make wild claims about his package, and target other alternatives w…

That's exactly what I mean - none of this matters. The maintainer does his job well and GetX does solve the problems it claims to solve nicely. Use Obx with a GetX controller and you are done. The other parts of the project, like the routing, are an option if it fits to your app. And sorry, I really think this stated clearly is helpful. It's not worth your time to even look at alternatives. Sure, that could change in…

The solution to the problem of having too many options is probably not best solved by picking one based on someone from the internet without evidence or comparison.

The solution to many people debating is not to just pick one side of the debate because the debate doesn't matter - you think.

Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by samwillis »

The_rationalist wrote: post #40
samwillis wrote: post #10

I think developers often want to find a “one true cross platform toolkit for all cases” and I don’t believe that will ever exist. It depends so much on both your app/market but also the skills and experience within your team. No 1 priority is move quickly. Flutter is brilliant, and probably the way to go, for some apps. A great example of a successful Flutter app is the Sonos app, relatively simple and responsive ui…

The myth that Ionic is slower than react native (android native - > skia ) or flutter (skia) has to stop. The evidence isn't just there anymore, chromium is the open source library with the most human resources on earth (mlre than 1 million commits) and therefore has more optimization resources than any competitor. The addition of edpressivity through new features in newer releases does not slow the browser despite t…

Completely agree with you on performance, certainly on any mobile device with less than 5yo tech. I think there are still a few performance problems on older/low-end hardware, that’s why for social media type apps I would recommend native. You would have the same perf problems with Flutter and React Native on that hardware.

I have only one significant complaint that effects Capacitor on iOS and it’s a WebKit bug (Ionic can’t fix it). With WebKit on iOS if you have an overflow:scroll with a text input of any kind (basically any app you build) the text cursor or selection highlight will remain visible outside the overflow area when you scroll. So for example if you select text in an input and scroll the view so the input is under a fixed toolbar, the selection highlight or cursor is visible infront of the toolbar. It looks very messy, I wish Apple would fix it. The minute you see it you know it’s not a native app.

Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by danielvaughn »

udbhavs wrote: post #20
samwillis wrote: post #10

I think developers often want to find a “one true cross platform toolkit for all cases” and I don’t believe that will ever exist. It depends so much on both your app/market but also the skills and experience within your team. No 1 priority is move quickly. Flutter is brilliant, and probably the way to go, for some apps. A great example of a successful Flutter app is the Sonos app, relatively simple and responsive ui…

I've been wondering why webviews with native page transitions aren't a more commonly used thing. It improves the UX a lot by dealing with the abrupt navigation changes of regular web apps. There was a plugin for Cordova that did this ( https://github.com/Telerik-Verified-Plugins/NativePageTransi... ) but it's abandoned.

Wow that’s a really good idea. I love it.

Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by occz »

onli wrote: post #13

Some opinions about good choices here, over a year of app development: * Don't get confused by the myriads of state management solutions. Just use GetX, it's a sane solution that works as advertised. * There were a couple of storage plugins like hive that claimed to be better because they be native to the platform and not SQL. As with all platforms, that's bull. SQLite is available, so use that. * The routers are a c…

>Despite its shortcomings and Google connection Flutter is really nice to build and Android apps with one code base, and l'd prefer it even for just an Android app by now.

Have you tried building android apps with Compose? It's significantly better than the old view system in android.

Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by occz »

shrewduser wrote: post #5
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the current go to solution for cross platform apps?

nothing really great yet, but i'm hopeful for kotlin multi platform and compose

If I had to bet on one path forward, this would be it. Shared-nothing View layers and then building the rest of the layers for sharing with KMP. I have yet to give it a serious try, but it seems to be the least bad alternative out there.

Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by stragio »

samwillis wrote: post #10

I think developers often want to find a “one true cross platform toolkit for all cases” and I don’t believe that will ever exist. It depends so much on both your app/market but also the skills and experience within your team. No 1 priority is move quickly. Flutter is brilliant, and probably the way to go, for some apps. A great example of a successful Flutter app is the Sonos app, relatively simple and responsive ui…

Agree! I have been building a React/Next capacitor application for a Dutch e-commerce with a colleague.

Up until now everything is fine for our purposes and performance is near native. Usually similar e-commerce apps require multiple teams, or at least 5+ employees, to release an app on web, Android and iOS. Due to the fact that we have just one single codebase, we can still manage it with the 2 of us.

I also recommend the Capacitor community on Discord in case you need help getting started.

Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by onli »

occz wrote: post #44
onli wrote: post #13

Some opinions about good choices here, over a year of app development: * Don't get confused by the myriads of state management solutions. Just use GetX, it's a sane solution that works as advertised. * There were a couple of storage plugins like hive that claimed to be better because they be native to the platform and not SQL. As with all platforms, that's bull. SQLite is available, so use that. * The routers are a c…

>Despite its shortcomings and Google connection Flutter is really nice to build and Android apps with one code base, and l'd prefer it even for just an Android app by now. Have you tried building android apps with Compose? It's significantly better than the old view system in android.

Indeed I have not, its 1.0 release came after I had moved on from that job. Does not look as nice to me, from a first glance, but that might be misleading. Thanks for the hint.

Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by sirwhinesalot »

The_rationalist wrote: post #40
samwillis wrote: post #10

I think developers often want to find a “one true cross platform toolkit for all cases” and I don’t believe that will ever exist. It depends so much on both your app/market but also the skills and experience within your team. No 1 priority is move quickly. Flutter is brilliant, and probably the way to go, for some apps. A great example of a successful Flutter app is the Sonos app, relatively simple and responsive ui…

The myth that Ionic is slower than react native (android native - > skia ) or flutter (skia) has to stop. The evidence isn't just there anymore, chromium is the open source library with the most human resources on earth (mlre than 1 million commits) and therefore has more optimization resources than any competitor. The addition of edpressivity through new features in newer releases does not slow the browser despite t…

> Electron apps are usually faster.

Not my experience, and I'm not talking benchmarks. That said I barely use my phone and I'm thinking mainly about desktop applications. Mac-native apps are universally faster and more responsive than Electron-based equivalents.

Doing more work costs more resources than doing less work, and it's hard to beat JITing Javascript and manipulating and rendering HTML+CSS for wasteful computation, no matter how much you optimize it.

That said, I've used phone apps that were essentially some webpage in webview that were highly responsive and pleasant to use, so it's certainly possible to have a good experience with webapps.

Reducing the amount of Javascript and using simpler HTML+CSS would also probably go a long way to make these apps fasters and lighter. I remember using AJAX-based chat websites in the 2000s that ran perfectly fine on hardware far weaker than even a 5 year old phone, so how the heck does Slack have such poor performance? That's the real problem.

Re: All you should know about Flutter development

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Post by danielvaughn »

I love the idea of Flutter, as I think it's a more stable approach than what React Native tries to do. But I hate Material Design with a passion, and I'm not sure why they tied it so closely to Flutter. Even the functional packages you import into your Flutter project are labeled "material".
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