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Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by alexkern »

dustingetz wrote: post #39
alexkern wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're decidedly a "low-code" or even “yes-code” tool. You use the drag-and-drop interface to design the app, while all of the app's logic is written in an in-browser text editor environment. Everything is multiplayer from day 1. It's an IDE in the style of VB6 / MS Access / FileMaker Pro, but built with modern web technologies at the foundation. We're building for early-stage technical teams and independent developer…

So multiplayer bubble but more industrial/data-centric, real database (operated out of band) for full data modeling power & operational scale, and use javascript to define business rules with control flow and loops?

That's one way to describe it. :)

One note: we have some lightweight persistent data stores built-in for convenience, like a key/value store. However, you're always able to build on top of your own database / API and most of our early users do.

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by cxr »

conradev wrote: post #40
cxr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we run [your custom code] inside a wasm-based sandbox, a compiled version of the QuickJS VM (yes, it's JS-in-JS). I'm curious about why. Is sychronicity the only reason? (And is it really worth it? `await` makes asynchronous code paths pretty unobtrusive.) Mirrors[1][2] are pretty interesting. (Not sure that I agree that compile-to-WASM makes for JS-in-JS. WASM isn't JS. Why do people keep conflating them?[3]) 1. h…

I imagine that part of it is for security. Figma has a good overview of the different approaches they considered for their JavaScript plugin system, and JS-in-JS was one of them: https://www.figma.com/blog/how-we-built-the-figma-plugin-sys...

> I imagine that part of it is for security.

Sure, that much is clear. But we're discussing it in contrast with other security-preserving approaches. "For security" only really makes sense we were asking, "Why do any of these things at all?", but we're past that. What we're asking is "Why this thing specifically?"—especially where that thing is expensive.

> Figma has a good overview of the different approaches they considered for their JavaScript plugin system, and JS-in-JS was one of them

First: to reiterate, JS-in-WASM is not JS-in-JS.

Secondly: Mirrors, notably, are not among the approaches they evaluated. I advocated for an evaluation of a similar Mirrors-based approach in the HN thread at the time that the Figma post was published:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20770105>

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by garciasn »

alexkern wrote: post #13

Hey HN, Dynaboard founder here. Sharing a bit more about how we built Dynaboard, since I think this audience will appreciate it. More will be shared in future blogs :) Multiplayer: We used the YJS project ( https://github.com/yjs/yjs ) as the baseline for our multiplayer system. We created a thin harness around the client and ended up implementing our own server-side architecture to handle relaying between the variou…

We’re signed up for the alpha to do some testing. Any plans to support BigQuery?

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by speedgoose »

alexkern wrote: post #24
speedgoose wrote: post #18

It sounds very interesting and I hope you will be successful. How realistic hosting on-premise / in a private cloud without breaking the bank is? The price is "contact us" right now. I sometimes need to develop applications where privacy and GDPR is critical. The current pricing per developer/user is not announced and I see that as a risk for me. I have been priced out of Retool, they wanted more money than two good…

Thanks for the kind words! We will not be pricing per developer or per user, but rather usage-based. We aim to be affordable for applications at scale, because we believe the cost of an internal app should not increase linearly with your headcount. We’ve designed the system for a few deployment configurations, with independent single-tenant and multi-tenant support on the control plane and data plane. The goal is fle…

Thanks for your answer. I will keep track of your product. The eject feature is very interesting.

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by speedgoose »

dvdhsu wrote: post #29
speedgoose wrote: post #18

It sounds very interesting and I hope you will be successful. How realistic hosting on-premise / in a private cloud without breaking the bank is? The price is "contact us" right now. I sometimes need to develop applications where privacy and GDPR is critical. The current pricing per developer/user is not announced and I see that as a risk for me. I have been priced out of Retool, they wanted more money than two good…

Hi speedgoose; I'm founder @ Retool. I'm sorry you were priced out of Retool; we don't want anybody to be that way. We're trying a few pricing experiments now (including self-serve on-prem, not billing per-user, etc.). I tried shooting you an email to a) fix the issue, and b) gather some feedback, but I don't think you have an email listed. Do you mind reaching out to me at david AT retool? Thanks!

Hi, I tried Retool hosted on-prem and I was satisfied with that. My issue was the "per-user" billing, as I can have many users that use the application very seldomly. I will send you an email.

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by speedgoose »

arey_abhishek wrote: post #38
speedgoose wrote: post #18

It sounds very interesting and I hope you will be successful. How realistic hosting on-premise / in a private cloud without breaking the bank is? The price is "contact us" right now. I sometimes need to develop applications where privacy and GDPR is critical. The current pricing per developer/user is not announced and I see that as a risk for me. I have been priced out of Retool, they wanted more money than two good…

Hi there, I'm a co-founder of Appsmith. I was happy to hear that you use Appsmith. How do you like it so far? Are there features that you are missing today?

Yes I like AppSmith. I can always wish for more features or better things, but between all the no-code/low-code tools I tried recently, AppSmith is the one I decided to use.

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by kinj28 »

speedgoose wrote: post #45
dvdhsu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi speedgoose; I'm founder @ Retool. I'm sorry you were priced out of Retool; we don't want anybody to be that way. We're trying a few pricing experiments now (including self-serve on-prem, not billing per-user, etc.). I tried shooting you an email to a) fix the issue, and b) gather some feedback, but I don't think you have an email listed. Do you mind reaching out to me at david AT retool? Thanks!

Hi, I tried Retool hosted on-prem and I was satisfied with that. My issue was the "per-user" billing, as I can have many users that use the application very seldomly. I will send you an email.

If usage based pricing suits you, check out DronaHQ (https://www.dronahq.com) [Disclaimer: I am with DronaHQ, on-prem coming up next.]

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by arey_abhishek »

speedgoose wrote: post #46
arey_abhishek wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi there, I'm a co-founder of Appsmith. I was happy to hear that you use Appsmith. How do you like it so far? Are there features that you are missing today?

Yes I like AppSmith. I can always wish for more features or better things, but between all the no-code/low-code tools I tried recently, AppSmith is the one I decided to use.

Great to hear that. My email is abhishek@appsmith.com if you want to send me feature suggestions. Thanks for using us!

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by vgel »

swimmadude66 wrote: post #27
vgel wrote: post #23

Nitpick: the font on the landing page is really weird (Linux Chrome) -- the baselines of the letters don't line up, giving it a really strange appearance.

Hey, do you have any more info about your distro/chrome version? I am running PopOS 21.10 with chrome 96.0.4664.93 and everything looks normal here. We are working with the designers to fix the ResizeObserver issue, but can't seem to recreate this one. Thanks!

Hmm, my Chrome is a little out of date so it may be my fault -- I'm also on PopOS. Sorry to scare you!
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