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Re: Laravel 9

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Post by ivanhoe »

geenat wrote: post #10

Laravel and Drupal 7+ frankly ruined PHP for me. PHP as a platform is KISS and elegant, and I still admire some of its features such as built in templating, filesystem based routing, etc. But whenever I look back at Laravel, I remember how dangerous overly complex fluff with a nice logo is to a platform.

IMHO Laravel and Symfony are the best things that happened to PHP community since php5. PHP was an ugly mess of bad practices, fragmented into many outdated apps/frameworks and it was just exhausting to use. Symphony was a great improvement, but a bit too rigid and too enterprise-level for my taste. For me Laravel was honestly a breath of fresh air - finally I had something significantly more powerful than my custom framework and still highly flexible and light-weight.

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by bdcravens »

raziel2p wrote: post #34
rob74 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the OP, but one thing that stands out for me is the (lack of) quality of the documentation. It reads more like a book (that tries to explain how to do things) than a reference (an exhaustive list of all classes, methods, parameters etc.). Ok, it's nice to have the former, but the latter would be far more important!

If you think so, it's available here: https://laravel.com/api/master/

Does Laravel have anything akin to the Rails Guides? (ie, higher level based on what you want to do, rather than API-level documentation)

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by ceejayoz »

bdcravens wrote: post #42
raziel2p wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think so, it's available here: https://laravel.com/api/master/

Does Laravel have anything akin to the Rails Guides? (ie, higher level based on what you want to do, rather than API-level documentation)

https://laracasts.com/

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by tomschlick »

durpleDrank wrote: post #39
daveaiello wrote: post #20

Could somebody say, if you are planning to embark on a new Laravel project and you have no experience, how to begin? I bought a subscription to Laracasts, and there is a "What's New in Laravel 9" series. But "Laravel from Scratch" is still on 8.

You could try LUMEN which is a lite version of Laravel. Took me around a day or two to fully get what was happening. I'm at the point now where I want to switch a big project I've been working on over to Laravel but it's a bit of a PITA. Anyway, for hello world stuff or a small api project try beginning with LUMEN. https://lumen.laravel.com/docs/8.x

Lumen is mainly feature complete and its mostly recommended to just use Laravel and unload the service providers you dont need.

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

Excellent.

The LTS nature of this release is good news (because presumably it involves the Laravel team committing to supporting the version of Symfony they use for some components).

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by doublerabbit »

bdcravens wrote: post #40
geenat wrote: post #10

Laravel and Drupal 7+ frankly ruined PHP for me. PHP as a platform is KISS and elegant, and I still admire some of its features such as built in templating, filesystem based routing, etc. But whenever I look back at Laravel, I remember how dangerous overly complex fluff with a nice logo is to a platform.

Any app without a framework ends up creating a framework of its own. Complexity isn't something to hand-wave away, but neither is the mess of include's and SQL injection risks that many "vanilla" apps become.

Same applies for frameworks. Your hoping that the framework and ecosystem is clean as to get everyone to update the framework isn't an easy task espcially when a vulnerability arises from within.

It's moot. Take Wordpress for example.

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by momenti »

gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #35
XCSme wrote: post #19

I like using plain PHP + PDO MySQL. I structure it so almost all files contain a single function/MySQL query, with very little dependencies. I already know how to implement core functionalities when needed (e.g. CSRF, user permissions). Why should I consider Laravel if plain PHP seems to work excellent in my case (been able to maintain the same codebase for over 9 years without issues, can quickly create a new app if…

For me, its about the higher level things included. I don't want to write a queue, event system, or cache layer again.

Though for a small-ish site (say <150 users), such techniques are typically not necessary.

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

PZ81JUXJE7uJ wrote: post #14
geenat wrote: post #10

Laravel and Drupal 7+ frankly ruined PHP for me. PHP as a platform is KISS and elegant, and I still admire some of its features such as built in templating, filesystem based routing, etc. But whenever I look back at Laravel, I remember how dangerous overly complex fluff with a nice logo is to a platform.

Funny, all I remember is the hot mess everyone was producing before Laravel.

Right.

Laravel 7 and 8 have been excellent. It's a good product with beautiful documentation.

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by XCSme »

castis wrote: post #22
XCSme wrote: post #19

I like using plain PHP + PDO MySQL. I structure it so almost all files contain a single function/MySQL query, with very little dependencies. I already know how to implement core functionalities when needed (e.g. CSRF, user permissions). Why should I consider Laravel if plain PHP seems to work excellent in my case (been able to maintain the same codebase for over 9 years without issues, can quickly create a new app if…

> Why should I consider Laravel If you work on all those projects alone, and you're happy doing this, you probably wouldn't. You aren't the target market for a framework like this. Laravel (and any good framework, really) is for people who want a consistent dev experience _with good documentation_.

Yes, I do work alone on those projects, but I do use frameworks on the frontend-side as I find them to help in the long term, not hinder the projects as PHP frameworks do (a lot of boilerplate).

It makes sense that if Laravel is strongly-opinionated to result in a consistent dev experience, but is a consistently bloated dev experience better than an inconsistent lean one?

Re: Laravel 9

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Post by wilsonfiifi »

daveaiello wrote: post #20

Could somebody say, if you are planning to embark on a new Laravel project and you have no experience, how to begin? I bought a subscription to Laracasts, and there is a "What's New in Laravel 9" series. But "Laravel from Scratch" is still on 8.

Also take a look at Code Course [0]. Good stuff and reasonable pricing.

[0] https://codecourse.com/

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