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Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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> This resulted in a marked decrease in hospital admissions, traffic accidents and domestic crimes. That was the same worldwide because nobody was outside. Holy retcon, Batman!

Traffic accidents actually went up in the US. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-12-08/traffi... Generally speaking, emptier roads encourage more speeding and reckless driving, increasing the severity of car accidents.

Guess we should have banned alcohol again.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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Fermenting alcohol that tastes good is not easy enough to justify a mass market product. Furthermore, why buy this when you can just buy cheap boxed wine that probably tastes much better than whatever you would get from fermenting reconstituted dry grape concentrate?

I've often made one gallon batches of mead; it's pretty simple, and wine (if you don't get too fancy) is a similar level of difficulty. IME, one gallon batches about two hours of work from start to a clean kitchen. Five gallon batches take much longer to cool after boiling, so are a much bigger headache.

Yeah, my late grandpa after he retired used to grow some grapes and make wine out of that on his small hobbyist gardening parcel[0]. And at least by the time I grew old enough to be allowed to drink it, he had become good enough at it that it was quite enjoyable and vastly better than cheap boxed or bottled wines in my humble opinion.

His output was like 30 bottles of red and another 30 of white, so in gallons that would be a little more than 21 liters each or 5 gallons each.

He gave away most of it to family and his friends - we had a lot of his bottles on regular barbecues he hosted - and even had my cousin help him design and print funny bottle labels.

[0] A "Schrebergarten" with a small almost-a-shed house.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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For some, data is not needed to figure out that tyranny isn't worth investigating.

I think possibly we have different definitions of tyranny

>many countries took the opportunity to run large-scale social experiments under the guise of Covid Restrictions

Regardless of how you define tyranny, how can you be so blithely supportive of rule-by-decree in supposed democracies? Especially for the purpose of running "social experiments?"

Covid Restrictions gained the grudging mandate of the masses, and in many places only by a hair, due to legitimate public-health concerns. Even in that context the subversion of legislative processes should be concerning. Running "experiments" on a non-consenting populace is at least the definition of dictatorship or oligarchy, if the word tyranny doesn't work for you.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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When someone suggests a clever loophole, the response is usually “that would never work, the police and the judge will know exactly what you’re doing”. But somehow, a whole industry developed around the “do not do … detailed prohibited thing”. I guess, because it somehow worked that one time, it became memorable as an exception, while in most cases it wouldn’t fly in court.

There are a number of other examples... Like the companies selling whip cream chargers by the case of 600... You know, for the people that need to make whipped cream by the gallon at home.

One of these cream whippers came into my hands recently. It came with a box of 10 chargers, where 1 was missing. I speculate the owner used their new cream whipper once and decided it was too much work to clean. After ~20 years they gave it to the non-profit's yard sale, where I found it.

One charger cartridge is good for maybe a pint of whipped cream. You'd need 4+ chargers for a gallon of whipped cream. A restaurant could easily go through 50 chargers a week.

https://www.amazon.com/iSi-Professional-Whipped-Cream-Charge...

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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When someone suggests a clever loophole, the response is usually “that would never work, the police and the judge will know exactly what you’re doing”. But somehow, a whole industry developed around the “do not do … detailed prohibited thing”. I guess, because it somehow worked that one time, it became memorable as an exception, while in most cases it wouldn’t fly in court.

There are a number of other examples... Like the companies selling whip cream chargers by the case of 600... You know, for the people that need to make whipped cream by the gallon at home.

Bakeries do exist and bulk orders do make sense for them.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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I think possibly we have different definitions of tyranny

>many countries took the opportunity to run large-scale social experiments under the guise of Covid Restrictions Regardless of how you define tyranny, how can you be so blithely supportive of rule-by-decree in supposed democracies? Especially for the purpose of running "social experiments?" Covid Restrictions gained the grudging mandate of the masses, and in many places only by a hair, due to legitimate public-health…

> how can you be so blithely supportive of rule-by-decree in supposed democracies

Because that is the reason we life in a democracy with checks and balances implemented. In Germany some decrees were canceled by our (up to the highest) courts, others were declared to be in line with the constitution.

We elect officials (setting the policy) every four years to rule us in our name. So we hand them the right and the power to "rule-by-decree" as long as they do not leave the grounds of the constitution (and we have courts to check against that).

> for the purpose of running "social experiments?"

I actually think (and believe) that most politicians in most countries tried to safe people. As much people as possible while also taking other factors like the economy and the health sector and stuff into account. And yes: They overshot sometimes. Yes, they made massive mistakes. Yes, they sometimes filled their own (or buddies') pockets. Yes, the more this pandemic progresses the less I think our politicians really know what they are doing.

But I never felt, that policies were implemented for the purpose of running an experiment. But the different implementations now offer the possibility to learn from them for the future. Like scientists looking at different implementations of daylight savings time and learning from that. Or different implementations of regulations regarding wearing helmets while driving motorcycles, regarding seat belt usage or even regarding the ability for contraception and abortion.

The fact that we are allowed to disagree and publicly argue against restrictions, to challenge them in court imho shows that we are living in a democracy.

But yeah - keep going on arguing about a straw man (that nobody but you put in place) like:

> Running "experiments" on a non-consenting populace is at least the definition of dictatorship or oligarchy, if the word tyranny doesn't work for you.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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"Interesting" perhaps... but our definitions of "cool" vary widely.

Cool because data is always cool :) More seriously,because it would simply be impossible to run these social experiments in normal circumstances. There are other examples; New Zealand and Australia tested a "closed border" approach, Sweden adopted a "personal responsibility" approach. Some places had curfews. The shere variety and scale of the last two years have generated enormous amounts of data, and matching data…

The closed border approach had fascinating consequences.

Little impact on many factors that had previously been put down to population growth.

It decisively proved that overcrowded infrastructure and inflated house prices were definitively supply side problems, rather than demand side problems.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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I'm very curious how this tasted and I wonder why there isn't anyone selling them anymore (based on a quick Google search). If it tasted half decent I'm curious if there could still be a market for something like this, given it seems to be able to be stored dry?

Fermenting alcohol that tastes good is not easy enough to justify a mass market product. Furthermore, why buy this when you can just buy cheap boxed wine that probably tastes much better than whatever you would get from fermenting reconstituted dry grape concentrate?

>Fermenting alcohol that tastes good is not easy enough to justify a mass market product.

Not quite the same, but in Germany they sell Federweißer, which is an unfermented wine, but the yeast is already on the bottom.

It turns from sweet grape juice (day 0), to sweet wine (day 2-3), then slightly sweet more alocoholic wine (day 4-5), until it turns into wine fully.

Quite a lot of people enjoy it. It's not a proper competition to normal wine, but it tastes good in its own way.

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