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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by sschueller »

aeonflux wrote: post #20
sschueller wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like SSL, Apple and Google need to do their part to provide a way for developers to validate an app and prevent clones from being installed instead even if coming from a 3rd party store.

It doesn't really work even with one closed AppStore. How that could work if they would be forced to allow 3rd party AppStores? I don't understand this logic. On one hand you want to force Apple to allow 3rd patry stores (and apps). But still you want them to have final word in the approval process? And SSL validates just the domain name, which still allows all the phishing attacks to thrive. Compare installing App f…

Like Microsoft allows you to sign your app, there should be a mechanism like this for each OS. I can still install an app if it is not signed but I am being warned.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

dariosalvi78 wrote: post #13

I wonder what's their reasoning here, it is obvious that this is will not satisfy anybody. Are they buying time? Or do they want to show that they are above everybody and don't try to mess with us (except if you're China of course)? We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum.

> We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum.

Right.

I mean I am an Apple kit user (albeit mostly the cheap/secondhand stuff these days), but you're right -- this is a ghastly display of entitlement and I hope it costs them.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by ninkendo »

999900000999 wrote: post #22
drcongo wrote: post #6

I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I think this is good . As a consumer, I want to be warned if there's something that's going to deviate from my system's norms, especially if it could take money from me.

I actually agree with you. On Android, you can side load, but you're warned if you destroy your life via some strange binary you found on the internet, that's on you. On iOS, it's more than a reasonable to say you're using an third-party payment service which is not subject to Apple security. If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part. And if you're not tech savvy, then stick to usi…

> If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part.

Apple has a policy where every subscription model that is paid for via the app store needs to be one-click cancelable, and from a single system menu that shows all of your subscriptions. That's an actual protection that the app store gives me, the customer, and which I might not receive from other payment processors... so it's not really as much "fear mongering" as you're making it out to be.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by thesimon »

huhtenberg wrote: post #33

But, wait! It gets even better [1]: - Cannot also support IAP - Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal. Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular. [1] https:/…

> Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain.

It feels like a US management decision to win a court case in the US, not someone who knows European anti-trust regulators. Really bizarre.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by dessant »

causi wrote: post #32
colejohnson66 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their saga with the Play Store shows that that isn’t the case.[0] Once you allow third parties to use different stores, and those stores aren’t as restrictive, you bet businesses are gonna move there. The whole “if you like the App Store, just don’t use the others” doesn’t work in practice. See also: the whole Steam vs Epic issue on Windows. Should Apple open their store? Sure. But it’s not as cut and dry as people m…

Apple would not let them charge one price for App Store payments and another price for external payments.

A store cannot dictate how much you charge for a product at a different retailer, and they have no right to interfere with your business activity, and the agreements you have with a different distributor.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by throwaway22032 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #36
floodle wrote: post #27

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I think a horse and buggy and a car are different classes of technology. A better comparison is old cars and new cars. Creating waste is not the only purpose of cars, but manufacturers sure do like to push newer models for the sake of sales, disregarding the waste problem. Right now my 40 year old car still runs just fine. But that's because public infrastructure still supports it. With tricks like manufacturer-speci…

> Right now my 40 year old car still runs just fine But it doesn’t have modern safety features, to say nothing of its fuel efficiency. > that's because public infrastructure still supports it Public infrastructure supports old computers fine. Just like with old cars, people value the new things being brought to the table. That doesn’t mean every new feature is wanted. But on the balance, most people upgrade their pho…

Computers and phones are in fundamentally different categories because one has open software and the other doesn't.

Whether you or people in aggregate choose to do things is distinct from whether they are effectively forced via planned obsolescence. That's what makes it planned.

I know that my old car has lower fuel efficiency. It's actually not that bad, my 20 year old car gets about 45-50 UK MPG, a new one of the same shape etc would get about 60-70. The distinction is small enough that scrapping the car and making a new one would be worse overall from an emissions perspective.

But again, that's my choice. New phones have better cameras than mine. I don't care, I have a real camera for that.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by jamil7 »

ninkendo wrote: post #43
999900000999 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually agree with you. On Android, you can side load, but you're warned if you destroy your life via some strange binary you found on the internet, that's on you. On iOS, it's more than a reasonable to say you're using an third-party payment service which is not subject to Apple security. If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part. And if you're not tech savvy, then stick to usi…

> If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part. Apple has a policy where every subscription model that is paid for via the app store needs to be one-click cancelable, and from a single system menu that shows all of your subscriptions. That's an actual protection that the app store gives me, the customer, and which I might not receive from other payment processors... so it's not really…

But if you're going through manual app review anyway can they just enforce one-click subscription cancellation like they do with one-click user account deletion?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by notyourday »

huhtenberg wrote: post #33

But, wait! It gets even better [1]: - Cannot also support IAP - Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal. Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular. [1] https:/…

Netherlands should respond with passing a law that any platform company that does that is subject to a 97% tax on the revenue generated via platform stores, payable 5 years in advance with the overpayments refunded at the end of the tax year.

When a company goes to war with the government, the company always loses. It is time for Cook to learn it. He is under a delusion that he is god.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by FabHK »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #8

The whole ecosystem around Apple products seems to be a commitment to producing e-waste in the short-term. It's really bizarre. A 20 year old PC still works. It might be slow, but as long as it's 64-bit, you can run modern software. If it's older and 32-bit you might be struggling but it's at least theoretically possible. By contrast Apple seem hell-bent on creating this environment in which they control the software…

I have an iPad from 2013 that works just fine. It only runs iOS 12.5.5, so some modern apps using newer APIs one cannot install. But many things run perfectly ok, just a tad slow. And, if an app doesn't run, the App store offers to install the latest version still compatible with the OS, if available. I don't see how that's compatible with your claim that:

> as soon as they stop supporting it, that's it, you now have a brick

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