Earlier quoted context omitted.
The employees have a lot of unvested stock most of the time, so they very much get to benefit from the stock price growth.
To counter this, they also suffer lockout periods. Employees typically have a short amount of time to figure out their strategy before being stuck for two months or longer. Employees only get to plan in the macro. They can go long or short, not respond to real economic events, opportunities, or headwinds.
Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
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Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it really disgusting ? Google stock rose 65% in 2021. Unless you are working at the cafeteria, the recent inflation had little impact on the compensation of Google employees.
Do TVCs get stock? Most or all of the big silicon valley corps employ a ton of temps, contractors etc.
Since they actually work for the contracting or temp company and not the contracting customer of that company, the arrangement doesn't generally include equity, profit-sharing and other benefits from the contracting company. However, the employee of the temp or contracting company might be able to negotiate equity, profit-sharing or other benefits from their employer if their market value is sufficiently high. It all depends on the arrangement the employee makes with their employer and that is usually driven by how in-demand, rare and proven the particular employee's skills are.
I've found it valuable to have the flexibility to choose whether I want to be an employee or a contractor depending on the market, company and my goals at the time. Over the decades I've experienced the upside and the downside of being an employee working alongside contractors who were taking home substantially more per day than I was but not getting equity. Sometimes my options ended up being nearly worthless and other times it worked out extremely well. Conversely, at other times I've been a short-term contractor able to negotiate fantastic weekly take-home pay. Sometimes that worked out very well and other times it would've been even better for me to have taken the job offer and been an equity employee. But I would have had to stay three or four years to vest, sacrificing the flexibility to pick my assignments, location and schedule.
Having experienced all sides of this, I've found the determining factor isn't really the choice of compensation model. What matters most is developing unique skills and being able to consistently deliver tangible value. How I choose to monetize my value is up to me and, like any investment, I get to 'pick my poison' and live with the consequences. Barring random luck, increased certainty and immediacy of minimum guaranteed compensation tends to come at the cost of potential maximum upside.
Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#43Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#44Sundar Pichai has just updated Google's mantra: "Don't be evil, be greedy!"
Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#45They didn't decline to boost employee pay -- they declined to make an across the board COL adjustment. Instead they will build the COL adjustment into each person's annual raise along with a performance bonus. You're only hearing about these guys because they are required to report it in their SEC filings.
I'm not sure the exact breakdown of their rewards, but baking a COL adjustment and a merit increase in a single number doesn't really count. Makes it way too easy to reduce pay increases.
... a refresh grant every year equal to 25% of a new hire grant for someone of your level vesting over 4 years, quarterly, with no cliff.
... a COL adjustment.
... a merit-based pay hike.
... a market adjustment if appropriate.
This is not a reduction in pay no matter how you slice it. It's going to be way more than 7%. It's going to be roughly 6.25% + 3% + 0-5%. 10-15% annually. 13-18% if they get the COL.
These are assessed relative to the market.
This is on top of your base pay, bonus, company bonus multiplier and vesting equity which has probably significantly appreciated year over year - potentially huge, as GOOG is up 37% YoY.
I'm not worried for the employees even though leadership didn't commit to making COL adjustments 6-7% this year instead of 2-3% like most years. It's a rounding error for these folks and there's no world in which they're getting a pay cut if they're meeting expectations.
Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure the exact breakdown of their rewards, but baking a COL adjustment and a merit increase in a single number doesn't really count. Makes it way too easy to reduce pay increases.
Mostly it gives them the ability to effectively cut the pay of those whose performance they don't value, by giving them increases smaller than inflation.
Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, it's literally the second sentence of the article we're discussing... >The Mountain View, CA-based company will be raising the salaries of four execs from $650,000 to $1 million...
Sure, but "They also received stock awards valued at between $23 million and $35 million, split between performance-based equity and stock that vests over time, the filing states.". That $350,000 doesn't even move the needle? Why is the focus there?
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other1:
> That’s disgusting. These 4 execs made order 200M in 2020, Google took in 130B in quarterly revenue in q4. and they have the steel procreators to tell their employees about how they can’t give quality of life adjustments during on of the worst inflationary periods in 100 years. Fuck google with a pointy stick.
other2:
> Is it really disgusting? Google stock rose 65% in 2021. Unless you are working at the cafeteria, the recent inflation had little impact on the compensation of Google employees.
other3:
> So by that logic execs certainly didn't need an increase in salary?
you:
> Did they get a salary increase? Or did their equity just go up like everyone else?
> Executives tend to have salaries that are a fraction of total comp.
other4:
> I mean, it's literally the second sentence of the article we're discussing...
> >The Mountain View, CA-based company will be raising the salaries of four execs from $650,000 to $1 million...
you:
> Sure, but "They also received stock awards valued at between $23 million and $35 million, split between performance-based equity and stock that vests over time, the filing states.".
> That $350,000 doesn't even move the needle? Why is the focus there?
So this thread starts off with criticizing Google over not giving COL adjustments in a terrible period of inflation given their massive profits.
Someone says the stock gains negate the impact of inflation.
Someone else says if stock increases were sufficient, then why did execs need a salary bump.
You asked if they got a salary increase.
Someone else points out that they did.
You then point out they got lots of stock.
And then say that their salary increase barely moves the needle so why focus there?
The point seems to have been lost here.
To go back to the original point, the point was that Google denied their employees COL adjustments. If giving their execs salary bumps didn't even move the needle for them, then why give it to them especially when they denied their other employees COL adjustments despite having massive profits?
Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#48They didn't decline to boost employee pay -- they declined to make an across the board COL adjustment. Instead they will build the COL adjustment into each person's annual raise along with a performance bonus. You're only hearing about these guys because they are required to report it in their SEC filings.
I'm not sure the exact breakdown of their rewards, but baking a COL adjustment and a merit increase in a single number doesn't really count. Makes it way too easy to reduce pay increases.
Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#49Quoted post unavailable.
You may not owe steel procreators better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. We're trying for curious conversation here.
Re: Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
#50They didn't decline to boost employee pay -- they declined to make an across the board COL adjustment. Instead they will build the COL adjustment into each person's annual raise along with a performance bonus. You're only hearing about these guys because they are required to report it in their SEC filings.