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Re: YouTube: Due to limited creator history we're limiting the number of views

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Post by ForRealsies »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #28
sennight wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are asking for is already widely available: network television. I don't see how it is a good thing that Google has adopted more and more of the negative aspects of the old system, but they certainly have been busy doing so for the last few years. You know a very good way to control what is and is not part of the public discourse? Allow only those with a lot to lose the privilege of speaking. Those creators w…

That’s an exaggeration. YouTube is still far more accessible than network television even if brand new accounts aren’t able to livestream to huge audiences. Limiting new accounts is a common, and often necessary, feature in most internet platforms. Even HN will limit how fast new accounts can post and highlights new users in green. If HN allowed new users to sign up and immediately post hundreds of comments or links,…

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Re: YouTube: Due to limited creator history we're limiting the number of views

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Post by logicalmonster »

fortran77 wrote: post #25
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #2

Does anyone have more context? Or a link to a video showing this issue? This Reddit thread only seems to have a screenshot (though I didn’t scour the entire comment section). I’ve never seen this in the wild, and technically without a link I still haven’t seen it live at all. I’m wondering if the channel triggered some sort of anti-spam mechanism. EDIT: The only source I can find is from screenshots of right-wing Twi…

According to comments on reddit, it was on an anti-vax livestream that was pushing a line of products from a brand-new account. This message only shows up on live streams.

> anti-vax livestream

Is it possible to get more nuanced clarity on this? The word "anti-vax" used to mean one thing, but today can refer to somebody who is against mandates.

Re: YouTube: Due to limited creator history we're limiting the number of views

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Post by tomschlick »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #34

I read a streamer from the Truck protest in Ottawa was getting hit by this. Hope Youtube doesn't become just another mouthpiece for only government approved narratives like TV.

> Hope Youtube doesn't become just another mouthpiece for only government approved narratives like TV.

This is already the case. Things like the lab leak theory were getting people banned for months before it suddenly became ok to talk about once the mainstream news channels started talking about it. This is why the label "misinformation" is dangerous. Anything can be deemed misinformation depending on who the fact checker is or the sources they use.

Re: YouTube: Due to limited creator history we're limiting the number of views

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Post by 015a »

aquova wrote: post #11

First off, I'd like to see some additional proof that this isn't a hoax. There's other people in that thread claiming it's real, but I have yet to see anything other than the image posted. Assuming it is real however, this is another baffling decision Youtube has made in recent months. I assume the thought behind this is to try maximize their walled garden in some way, but unlike other sites Youtube has such a long h…

My guess is far more benign: YouTube operates one of the world's largest CDNs. It takes time to saturate that CDN, but it's necessary in order to serve many of the largest content creators. If a small video, from a historically small content creator, gets too popular, too quickly, they likely, simply, aren't ready at an infrastructure level to serve the video.

And, a moron of a product manager was responsible for trying to word that into an error message that a billion people can understand.

Re: YouTube: Due to limited creator history we're limiting the number of views

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Post by kingcharles »

kotaKat wrote: post #37
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #2

Does anyone have more context? Or a link to a video showing this issue? This Reddit thread only seems to have a screenshot (though I didn’t scour the entire comment section). I’ve never seen this in the wild, and technically without a link I still haven’t seen it live at all. I’m wondering if the channel triggered some sort of anti-spam mechanism. EDIT: The only source I can find is from screenshots of right-wing Twi…

Mobile live streaming requirements: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9228390 Over 50 subs and under 1000 subs == streaming is limited via mobile. It doesn't matter how old your account, either -- I have an account with only 28 subscribers (somehow?) for several years and I get the same limitations on mobile streaming, namely that I can't even stream. Technical workaround would be to set up a stream via deskt…

Reading that I had to go check the subscriber count on my account. 17 year old YouTube account has.... 115 subscribers! I would have thought more bots than that would have randomly subscribed over the years.

Went to jail for eight years. First thing I do when I get out.. how many views did I get on YouTube while I was gone?!

Re: YouTube: Due to limited creator history we're limiting the number of views

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Post by 33ultra »

From other [dupe] thread:

I think the answer is still related to censorship. Streamers with lots of history also got throttled.

So, ask yourself, why would YouTube need to throttle in the first place? Who is giving all these protest-streamers their first 300 viewers, making them rise in the live-streaming rankings and exposing millions to anti-mandate protests?

I think YouTube is under attack. I think they learned from live-streams during George Floyd protests, which, incidentally, I also was exposed to, even though not caring too much about that. I think throttling is an attempt to avoid the artificial boosting of divisive and polarizing content.

I really do not want to turn this into a conspiracy theory, though Mark Zuckerberg did offer for Facebook to make some changes, with the rest blacked out under "secret weapon" technology. After experiments done on Facebook on emotional contagion, surely, they must have ways to, instead of rile up an entire populace, calm them down. We are at an age where a single out-of-context video of alleged police brutality can shut down the economy.

Edit: copyright - and ad fraud make little sense to me, since the videos could still be viewed when subscribing to the channel or logging out. If detected as fraudulent, the stream should go offline without warning.

Re: YouTube: Due to limited creator history we're limiting the number of views

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Post by gowld »

015a wrote: post #44
aquova wrote: post #11

First off, I'd like to see some additional proof that this isn't a hoax. There's other people in that thread claiming it's real, but I have yet to see anything other than the image posted. Assuming it is real however, this is another baffling decision Youtube has made in recent months. I assume the thought behind this is to try maximize their walled garden in some way, but unlike other sites Youtube has such a long h…

My guess is far more benign: YouTube operates one of the world's largest CDNs. It takes time to saturate that CDN, but it's necessary in order to serve many of the largest content creators. If a small video, from a historically small content creator, gets too popular, too quickly, they likely, simply, aren't ready at an infrastructure level to serve the video. And, a moron of a product manager was responsible for try…

Why would you assume that the person who is paid to do this professionally has less of a clue than you who just... read a reddit comment

Re: YouTube: Due to limited creator history we're limiting the number of views

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Post by Nextgrid »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #10
jsnell wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the Reddit comments, this is only for livestreams not for videos in general. I'd guess that the problem with livestreams in particular is that any kind of abuse prevention / moderation needs to be done in realtime, vs normal videos where it can reasonably be done either as a pre-pass or with a delay. How does limiting the number of viewers of a stream by a small channel help? Well, it means that stream w…

Seems reasonable. YouTube is a platform for content creators with some skin in the game. New accounts producing viral livestreams are a hotbed for spam and scams, such as the ubiquitous free cryptocurrency livestream scams. Frankly, I’m glad to see they’re doing something about it.

> New accounts producing viral livestreams are a hotbed for spam and scams

Which is why spammers & scammers compromise existing channels and stream there. It happened to one I'm subscribed to; they completely renamed the channel and started broadcasting what looked like a crypto newscast which I'm sure eventually pivoted to a promotion for some scam.

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Post by rwmj »

sennight wrote: post #17
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems reasonable. YouTube is a platform for content creators with some skin in the game. New accounts producing viral livestreams are a hotbed for spam and scams, such as the ubiquitous free cryptocurrency livestream scams. Frankly, I’m glad to see they’re doing something about it.

What you are asking for is already widely available: network television. I don't see how it is a good thing that Google has adopted more and more of the negative aspects of the old system, but they certainly have been busy doing so for the last few years. You know a very good way to control what is and is not part of the public discourse? Allow only those with a lot to lose the privilege of speaking. Those creators w…

You realise that you can set up your own web server and livestream as much as you like (and can afford) from that to as many people as you want? Youtube doesn't owe you free bandwidth.
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