Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The actual riddim sounds completely uninteresting to my American ears Dub and reggae are a part of the so-called soundsystem culture. That booming bass line is meant to be heard over an enormous PA system (often home built) designed to rattle your bones!
seen .. much bettern to hear the song in context in a soundsystem live tape (several on yt) - and possibly with cough cough sacrament - e.g. coxsone, killmanjaro, etc. <3 the 'digital raggae' electronic pre-dancehall sound
The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
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Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#42It is an interesting read. I find inspiration in this story of composer Hiroko Okuda. When you work at doing your part to get the product to market you can't predict all the ways customers might use the product.
Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#43There's no decent reggae after the early 1980s, apart from UB40 knock off bands. Give me the Pioneers, Dave and Ansel Collins or Justin Hinds any day.
But it is ignorant and dismissive to place anything after an arbitrary date under the label "not decent". Plenty of wonderful stuff.
I'm certain you'll agree that for example Lee Scratch Perry produced wonderful music until the day of his death (August 2021). What he did with The Upsetters is magic. But even the albums he made in the months before his death are far more than "decent".
Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#44Original "under mi sleng teng" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjw7m-BKmQ8
One of my favorites, "The Don" by peter metro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnZuTOH2zoc
90 minute sleng teng mix (here's a bunch): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwLKc61dVWQ
related:
Under mi sensi (doesn't actually use sleng teng riddim but it's a riff on the sleng teng chorus): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_dwpUrWkE4
A different riddim (bookshelf), but great example of seeing the DJ at work on a riddim mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyGhjR7CE3k
If you want to explore other popular riddims, the punanny riddim is a good next stop! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UkJRGIpzYM
Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#45The Sleng Teng riddim is one of my favorite reggae riddims. Americans might best know it as the bassline from Sublime's Caress Me Down ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_LP4IU6XD4 ). But you might really love the lyrics of Tenor Saw's Pumpkin Belly, which a song of the "old time proverbs": "Whatsover you want / You have to work very hard to gain." https://genius.com/Tenor-saw-pumpkin-belly-lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61kVhWClUZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOMZlVLh1Ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9mrs1Ge8fo
then there's stalag riddim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4fjGwVpbm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbQX0QmngYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d4Efp5TMc
and my favourite heavenless riddim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBRzaoUe3y8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQXPTRIsEII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJGa2-qBsSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MmIP16H5jE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BxPQIypnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=himuq_-TM-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpgl8oK869E
then there's answer riddim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4bN_lmTGRk
Overall these riddims are played at so called soundsystem parties - basically huge amount of subwoofers that your body shakes. Earplugs is a must else you'll get tinitus like I did. Stranger part is no photos are allowed and a lot of music isn't released online - it's overall kinda secretive subculture.
It blew my mind when I came to such party first time.
Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#46Most late 20th century western musical movements and the cultural changes that came with them was down to manufacturers of instruments. It was usually a box, synthesizer or effects unit. Surely the R&D for new sounds is what music depends on?
You could create all kinds of new sounds and technologies and they would have no impact if audiences didn't connect with them. Some people have a certain fluency with sound and music. It's not about training, although training will bring it out if someone has it. But it seems pretty innate. And it cuts through in a way that the work of people without the fluency doesn't. Roland used to be masters of this. Their rhyth…
> ... the box was largely written off as a failure after just 18 months of production. It was released alongside the TR-606 drum machine as an accompaniment for guitarists, but with unrealistic sounds and a difficult interface the box got little traction upon release. [1]
It became the source of a signature sound in dance music, which remains extensively used today and can be heard in tracks with mainstream chart success. It's terrible interface is somehow part of its charm and it has been cloned in many formats.
This is probably the best way to experience it in a browser [2]
[1] https://djtechtools.com/2015/12/02/history-tb-303-rolands-ac...
Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#47Artists aren't profiting massively from sampling. Even from making music in general. Actually, most artists don't get paid at all when uncleared samples are involved, and especially because of the predatory system of music publication. The ideal like they are the ones who should be sued worries me about a wrong take on the art overall. Perhaps Casio should have given her a bonus, because back then because of Sleng Teng, they sold a lot more units.
If we buy a piece of music equipment with presets on it, the license for usage should be 100% included in the purchase, or not included on the device at all.
Copyright is one of the biggest things that threatens music innovation moving forward. The Sleng Teng riddim was indeed influential to reggae for many years, but it was not a game changer because Reggae had existed long before it and even well before Casio. To say that Casio or Okuda Hiroko made the riddim and influenced reggae was a bit of a stretch... The vocals, use, performance, distribution and choice to use a Casio keyboard on the song were all by Noel Davey. To say a preset on a keyboard he used was responsible for a cultural era totally ignores what inspired Hiroko to make the preset.
To try to credit a preset as a cultural influence on reggae discredits all of the other aspects of riddim culture and tools that existed at that point too, Linn Drums, the DR550, The Effectron II, etc... So many things influenced reggae. As someone who was there during the era, Sleng Teng was a great track, but to say the preset revolutionized reggae is like saying modems influenced Internet culture.
Reggae is specifically a Caribbean music art form that has grown from the 1940s and spread across the world against great resistance, and the heritage and innovation behind it is specifically due to the artists that made each song...
Otherwise, we should probably credit Ableton and a bunch of synth plug-ins for pretty much every preset used on almost every dance track made now...
This article kind of highlights a major part of the discussion surrounding cultural appropriation, it's the ideal that something needs to be linked to "more favorable or esteemed" cultures to be more noteworthy or humanized.
Reggae is uniquely Caribbean in origins, artists faced great struggles to make the music and most did not get paid anything notable at all. Others are free to integrate the ideals however they want, but the origins, credits, authenticity, and history should not be re-written just to make a new story.
Authentic history of the Sleng Teng Riddim and Riddim Culture-
Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#48(or perhaps I just haven't found it yet?)
Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#49There's no decent reggae after the early 1980s, apart from UB40 knock off bands. Give me the Pioneers, Dave and Ansel Collins or Justin Hinds any day.
There's a thriving scene in Hawaii with great music coming out to this day.
This one features two amazing vocalists, Irie Love and Fiji (George Veikoso)
It is wut it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZVF7QWjs44
Then there's New Zealand:
Katchafire: Way Beyond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjKLocagFPw
I could have picked dozens of other great songs.
Re: The Casio employee behind the “Sleng Teng” riddim that revolutionized reggae
#50For those who don't know, "Riddim is the Jamaican Patois pronunciation of the English word 'rhythm'. In the context of reggae and dancehall it refers to the instrumental accompaniment to a song and is synonymous with the rhythm section... A given riddim, if popular, may be used in dozens—or even hundreds—of songs, not only in recordings but also in live performances." The actual riddim sounds completely uninteresting…