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Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by autoexec »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

> I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care about in any way.

This was my plan too, but my intention was to keep the windows box offline 99% of the time (pretty much only connecting for downloads/installs). I still didn't like the idea of installing steam on the machine though since that would mean it's got my personal info on it and I'd be making purchases on it.

Now that steam thinks they can get a large number of games running on their Linux-based handheld shouldn't that mean most games should work on a linux desktop without much trouble? I'm hoping this means I can avoid windows 10/11 entirely.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by autoexec »

burner556 wrote: post #32
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

Or better yet just buy a game console and don’t worry about any headaches :)

I recently picked up a PS3 and it seems like in almost every game I play, even though by now most of those games are as patched as they're ever going to be, I keep finding bugs that could have been worked around if I'd been playing the PC version. If simple console commands (which so far have never been accessible on the PS3) couldn't solve the problem, often there's a mod someone wrote that would have. I guess the PS4 has a limited ability to use mods at least, so maybe that's improved the situation a little, but it's made me consider ditching playing anything on a console if PC is an option.

I'd have to say the console experience (circa 2013) is not at all without headaches.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by bni »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

I also keep my Windows gaming PC only for gaming. Reinstall it regularly, because this is the Windows way.

I have a DisplayPort USB KVM switch to quickly switch monitor, headphones, mouse and keyboard between my mac mini (that I normally use) and the gaming PC.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by numlock86 »

burner556 wrote: post #32
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

Or better yet just buy a game console and don’t worry about any headaches :)

Don't consoles have these ridiculous "subscriptions" that you need to "unlock" networking/multiplayer?

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by bodge5000 »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

I've thought about doing something like this before, does your windows machine have its own keyboard, mouse and monitors or do you have some kind of switch involved? I haven't worked out a good way yet of using multiple monitors over two machines whilst sharing audio and input between the two

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by haunter »

burner556 wrote: post #32
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

Or better yet just buy a game console and don’t worry about any headaches :)

Paid multiplayer is the biggest scam ever

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by ddtaylor »

morsch wrote: post #29
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

A separate Linux user would go a long way. You'd have to be very unlucky to get hit by a RCE in a game that's simultaneously targeted at Proton users.

Not really because it requires very esoteric configurations to avoid other users reading important files of yours. Unless you're willing to modify your default SSH (and other, apache, etc.) configurations out-of-the-box setup will leave all your data readable by other users.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by Tildey »

bodge5000 wrote: post #45
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

I've thought about doing something like this before, does your windows machine have its own keyboard, mouse and monitors or do you have some kind of switch involved? I haven't worked out a good way yet of using multiple monitors over two machines whilst sharing audio and input between the two

I have a USB switch, my keyboard and mouse go into the USB hub on my monitor, and that hub is switched between my laptop dock and my windows pc. The monitor input is changed on the monitor. A proper KVM would be easier but is also many times more expensive.

I use my laptop open though, so I can still control it when using the windows pc.

For audio, I use a simple 3.5mm splitter. They work in both directions, so with the right combination of male/female 3.5mm cables you can merge the audio for about $10. There are fancier audiophile solutions too.

Something like synergy (from symless, there are competitors and FOSS alternatives but I can’t remember their names) might be good for your use case, to carry over m/kb input to the non-windows machine.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by azalemeth »

capableweb wrote: post #3

More fitting title would be "Easily manage wineprefix using environments" or "Easily manage wine prefixes in a new way" as this is just using Wine, which is what actually does the "Run Windows software and games on Linux" (current title) part. If anyone has experience, and since the repository doesn't mention it, how is Bottles different from let's say Lutris, Q4Wine and PlayOnLinux that already exists and does somet…

I find the lutris is actually a pretty excellent experience. Most games have a method to install themselves with it, it integrates nicely with my gog library, and it really does just work. You can edit the prefix dosdevices to deny access to the filesystem outside of the prefix.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by luciusdomitius »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

The security concern is very very valid. It is surprising how well wine&co run windows malware considering that they were (probably) never specifically meant nor tested for that.
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