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Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#41

Post by ChuckNorris89 »

boffinAudio wrote: post #40
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can easily do Fall Detection with a modern cell phone Obviously we could do this since phones had accelerometers, so I'm not sure if you read the the product description, but these radar sensors allow you to do fall detection WITHOUT having to clip a phone or any other sensor onto people. Way, way more convenient and better for privacy. I can't imagine grandma will take her phone with her in her pijamas when she…

I disagree that this is more convenient/better for privacy. With the app: the user already has a cell phone, and doesn't need to buy anything else to get protected from falls. No proprietary hardware, just an app to install and he's safe. Plus, he'll always have his phone on him and can call/be called whenever deemed necessary by his caregivers. There are no privacy implications whatsoever, because the app only repor…

>With the app: the user already has a cell phone, and doesn't need to buy anything else to get protected from falls

Do you always take your phone with you when you go to the bathroom half asleep in the middle of the night with no pockets in your pijamas?

I am sure my grandma does not do that and never will. Nor will she be ok with me belting a phone onto her at all times.

This idea is flawed by design from the get-go, which is why it never took off despite smartphones becoming ubiquitous.

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#42

Post by mschuster91 »

bloodyplonker22 wrote: post #2

Anyone remember how viral "I've fallen and I can't get up" went? This was apparently the main use case and selling point for those devices back then, and it still is now.

> and it still is now.

It's sad to see how all of this tech is just doing one thing: enabling badly run "care homes" to reduce staffing count even further, and generally covering up the fact that we as a society are failing our elders.

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#43

Post by boffinAudio »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #41
boffinAudio wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that this is more convenient/better for privacy. With the app: the user already has a cell phone, and doesn't need to buy anything else to get protected from falls. No proprietary hardware, just an app to install and he's safe. Plus, he'll always have his phone on him and can call/be called whenever deemed necessary by his caregivers. There are no privacy implications whatsoever, because the app only repor…

>With the app: the user already has a cell phone, and doesn't need to buy anything else to get protected from falls Do you always take your phone with you when you go to the bathroom half asleep in the middle of the night with no pockets in your pijamas? I am sure my grandma does not do that and never will. Nor will she be ok with me belting a phone onto her at all times. This idea is flawed by design from the get-go…

>Do you always take your phone with you when you go to the bathroom half asleep in the middle of the night with no pockets in your pijamas?

You do if your life depends on it. Also, if your family has put a cell phone on your bathrobe specifically for the purpose - even doing this is cheaper than buying special hardware just because it has mmWave.

> Nor will she be ok with me belting a phone onto her at all times.

But belting proprietary, un-auditable electronics to her or installing it in her private space is okay, right ..

The Fall Detector/home medical metrics industry is huge, and plenty of people are using cell-phone based Fall Detectors to protect their family. This doesn't require mmWave, one bit.

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#44

Post by boffinAudio »

mschuster91 wrote: post #42
bloodyplonker22 wrote: post #2

Anyone remember how viral "I've fallen and I can't get up" went? This was apparently the main use case and selling point for those devices back then, and it still is now.

> and it still is now. It's sad to see how all of this tech is just doing one thing: enabling badly run "care homes" to reduce staffing count even further, and generally covering up the fact that we as a society are failing our elders.

On the other hand, as an author of a Fall Detector app I'm pretty proud of the fact that a lot of my users in elderly and care facilities are now able to take a walk around the yard without needing oversight. This has enabled a lot more freedom to some of these people than you seem to be willing to acknowledge ..

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#45

Post by ChuckNorris89 »

boffinAudio wrote: post #43
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>With the app: the user already has a cell phone, and doesn't need to buy anything else to get protected from falls Do you always take your phone with you when you go to the bathroom half asleep in the middle of the night with no pockets in your pijamas? I am sure my grandma does not do that and never will. Nor will she be ok with me belting a phone onto her at all times. This idea is flawed by design from the get-go…

>Do you always take your phone with you when you go to the bathroom half asleep in the middle of the night with no pockets in your pijamas? You do if your life depends on it. Also, if your family has put a cell phone on your bathrobe specifically for the purpose - even doing this is cheaper than buying special hardware just because it has mmWave. > Nor will she be ok with me belting a phone onto her at all times. But…

>You do if your life depends on it.

You clearly don't know how stubborn (old) people can be even when it comes to their own safety. People should also wear bike helmets in my country, as their lives depends on it, yet few actually do. Moving the sensor off the people and onto the room removes this issue.

> Also, if your family has put a cell phone on your bathrobe specifically for the purpose

Nobody in my family wears bathrobes and I'm pretty sure almost nobody in my country does (BTW, is this a US thing?)

What if you forget to take your phone with you when you get out of bed for whatever reason? Or what if you fall out of bed before getting your smartphone? This is a flawed solution from the start.

>But belting proprietary electronics to her is okay, right ..

You clearly did not read the product description. You don't belt this sensor to the person you want to monitor but instead you install it in the room you're monitoring and the radar sensor detects when anyone in the room is falling down. That's the game changer right there.

Please read the product description and maybe you'll reconsider your stance.

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#46

Post by boffinAudio »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #45
boffinAudio wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do you always take your phone with you when you go to the bathroom half asleep in the middle of the night with no pockets in your pijamas? You do if your life depends on it. Also, if your family has put a cell phone on your bathrobe specifically for the purpose - even doing this is cheaper than buying special hardware just because it has mmWave. > Nor will she be ok with me belting a phone onto her at all times. But…

>You do if your life depends on it. You clearly don't know how stubborn (old) people can be even when it comes to their own safety. People should also wear bike helmets in my country, as their lives depends on it, yet few actually do. Moving the sensor off the people and onto the room removes this issue. > Also, if your family has put a cell phone on your bathrobe specifically for the purpose Nobody in my family wear…

>Nobody in my family wears bathrobes and I'm pretty sure nobody in my country does (is this an american thing?)

Kind of an odd supposition, but okay .. I'm guessing you don't have much experience with the elderly and frail in care facilities, where it is pretty much policy to be robed when you get out of bed.

All of the elderly in my family (Europeans) use a robe when needed. Its not as 'rare' as you might think.

But fair enough, your point is that this mmWave-based fall detector doesn't need to be attached to the user. This means the end user is only going to be protected for as long as they are in the 'fall detection zone jail', alas. This is more of a prison than you might think - especially for elderly/care-needing individuals for whom mobility (outside, in a garden) is essential to their care and recovery .. wearing a device gives the individual far, far greater freedom over that of a 'zoned safety area' provided by a fixed-location installation ..

And for this reason, I simply don't agree that this mmWave thing is an improvement. It certainly is more convenient to care-givers, but its fixed-place requirement is a net loss for elderly/care.

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#47

Post by ChuckNorris89 »

boffinAudio wrote: post #46
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You do if your life depends on it. You clearly don't know how stubborn (old) people can be even when it comes to their own safety. People should also wear bike helmets in my country, as their lives depends on it, yet few actually do. Moving the sensor off the people and onto the room removes this issue. > Also, if your family has put a cell phone on your bathrobe specifically for the purpose Nobody in my family wear…

>Nobody in my family wears bathrobes and I'm pretty sure nobody in my country does (is this an american thing?) Kind of an odd supposition, but okay .. I'm guessing you don't have much experience with the elderly and frail in care facilities, where it is pretty much policy to be robed when you get out of bed. All of the elderly in my family (Europeans) use a robe when needed. Its not as 'rare' as you might think. But…

>I'm guessing you don't have much experience with the elderly and frail in care facilities, where it is pretty much policy to be robed when you get out of bed.

Except my grandma is at her apartment and that's where I wish to monitor her but in a private and dignified way, not like cattle with an tracking bracelet, and she wears no bathrobe in her apartment either (Eastern Europe things).

>But fair enough, your point is that this mmWave-based fall detector doesn't need to be attached to the user.

It is not my point, it's literally in the article/product description, which you did not read, and is the whole selling point of this widget. Just stick it to the ceiling and it detects anyone falling in that room. Simple. No need for invasive tracking solutions attached to people at all times.

> This is more of a prison than you might think

This sensor does not stop you from going outside where grandma can take a phone in her purse and is also safe as there are always people around to call for help if anything would happen vs in her apartment where she is always alone.

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#48

Post by mschuster91 »

boffinAudio wrote: post #44
mschuster91 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it still is now. It's sad to see how all of this tech is just doing one thing: enabling badly run "care homes" to reduce staffing count even further, and generally covering up the fact that we as a society are failing our elders.

On the other hand, as an author of a Fall Detector app I'm pretty proud of the fact that a lot of my users in elderly and care facilities are now able to take a walk around the yard without needing oversight. This has enabled a lot more freedom to some of these people than you seem to be willing to acknowledge ..

> This has enabled a lot more freedom to some of these people than you seem to be willing to acknowledge ..

Ideally, assuming there's no need for qualified special care like with dementia people should be able to live out their old days with their family, in their neighborhood. Not being shunted off to a senior citizen's prison in the outskirts and warded over by technology, because the kids have to move across the world to be exploited by capitalism and quality care with proper staffing is all but unaffordable for the 99%.

I agree, apps like yours or the radar piece of tech we're talking about here are a massive gain in quality of life for senior citizens who live on their own or together with their family... but let's be real: that's the utter minority where these devices will be used.

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#49

Post by usrusr »

boffinAudio wrote: post #46
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You do if your life depends on it. You clearly don't know how stubborn (old) people can be even when it comes to their own safety. People should also wear bike helmets in my country, as their lives depends on it, yet few actually do. Moving the sensor off the people and onto the room removes this issue. > Also, if your family has put a cell phone on your bathrobe specifically for the purpose Nobody in my family wear…

>Nobody in my family wears bathrobes and I'm pretty sure nobody in my country does (is this an american thing?) Kind of an odd supposition, but okay .. I'm guessing you don't have much experience with the elderly and frail in care facilities, where it is pretty much policy to be robed when you get out of bed. All of the elderly in my family (Europeans) use a robe when needed. Its not as 'rare' as you might think. But…

Nothing wrong with "please take this wearable sensor (which might be a phone) with you if you go outdoors" and still making the indoors safe for occasions where the person at risk of falling fails to prepare like for a minor expedition. It's not either/or at all.

Re: Radar fall detection and breath rate under $40

#50

Post by throwaway81523 »

Woah, I didn't notice til reading a comment further down that this thing is mounted on the ceiling, so it notices remotely that a person has fallen. I thought that the person had to wear it, which is a nuisance. Ok, I want to set one of these up for an elderly family member. Way cool, wow.
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