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Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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> The typical employment lifecycle of an engineer is: Get frustrated by the current company culture and/or benefits, let this frustration sit for way too long, snap and choose a random company whose recruiter just happened to reach out, join there, and repeat the cycle all over again. It's scary how real this is, but it's easy to say "don't do that", when all the inhibitions about leaving your current job rotate arou…

The takeaway here is to leave before you're frustrated. While things are still good. That is when you are in the best position and frame of mind to make a change. Because you can walk away from any offer that isn't better. If you wait until things are terrible then yes you can feel trapped in a bad situation because you have to pay the bills.

The tricky part, as it was for me, was when things change. Things can be great somewhere, and then something at very high levels cause trickledown, and before you know it, minor problems turn into complete institutional dysfunction. It's like the butterfly effect, but with organizational dysfunction.

Add your spouse having other constraints, and it becomes a mess to navigate sometimes.

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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Buying a house is, by far and away, the best thing I have ever done for my personal happiness and wellbeing. Have I constrained myself financially? Yes, sure. But every day I work in my garden, work in projects in my garage, take on home improvement projects etc. Despite the constraints, I have never felt more free. I would never, EVER go back to renting. Ever.

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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Not to be that guy but I'll be that guy > Don’t loose your asset Did you mean ... "Don't LOSE your asset"? (sorry)

Updated! Thank you - English is my second language and that sort of thing still catches me off-guard

English is my only proficient language and I still mix those up :)

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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I grew up in Germany, where, for reasons I don't really know or understand right now, paying rent has been common and normal across a large part of the population since long before I was born. Buying an apartment or even house to live in almost seemed to be more like a "luxury" for rich people to me. I moved to the US a decade ago, and (I knew this before) the mindset seems to be that renting is only a temporary situ…

Aside from finance, a big motivation to buy a home in the UK is to have more self-determination in your home life. Renting places you under someone else's control to a large extent.

You often can't decorate much. Can't fit better windows, and windows where I've rented have usually been poor quality. Can't replace the washing machine even if it's not working properly. Can't put up shelves.

Can't fit solar panels or better insulation, or replace carpets. Sometimes you can't even paint the walls.

In the town where I live nearly all rental properties are "furnished", to the point that there aren't many unfurnished properties to choose from. This means you can't change the furniture - couches, tables, curtains (drapes), beds, wardrobes etc. Often there is an old TV you would never choose for yourself. Of course you do make some choices when you decide where to move into, but there may not be anything particularly to your own taste, and what you want will change over time anyway.

Aside from the lack of self-determination while in there, there is a constant threat of "no reason" evictions which landlords exercise from time to time. Because no reason is given, it doesn't take much. I've seen it done sometimes by rental property agents just so they can advertise a large rent increase on the open market which would not seem reasonable applied to the existing tenant - that time, the landlord didn't particularly want the tenant out, but the agent saw a chance to get their new-tenancy fees and advised the landlord to evict.

Long term stability in a rental property is a luxury in some areas, and finding another property nearby may not be possible. Got a child in school? Don't assume they will be able to stay in the same school.

I have encountered rental situations where it is required to pay 12 months rent up front every year during the tenancy (on top of 1.5 months deposit) - but only if you're not well off enough to qualify for monthly rental payment. This sucks if the reason you are moving is because of a no-reason eviction from a previous place, so you quickly need to find another property as well as 13.5 months worth of rent at short notice. Naturally, you can't use the deposit from the previous place in that scenario as you won't get it in time, and you won't get all of it.

Speaking of 12 months, in the town where I live and I gather in many others, 12 month tenancies are the maximum you can get. Technically every year there's a new tenancy, usually with new contract fees to pay, and the possibility they might decide not to renew it. If you're really unlucky there might be a new credit and income check each renewal, which you will fail if you fell on hard times, such as between jobs. This duration is because UK law has additional tenant protections with tenancies longer than 12 months. So of course landlords don't offer them.

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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I find some people really romanticize renting. It varies by country I guess. It sucks in the UK/Ireland. Here are some downsides to renting off the top of my head:

- Getting kicked out when the landlord wants to sell or "move in their family"

- No pets

- No decorating (painting walls etc)

- Landlord taking up to 12 months to repair basic things, if at all ("well, you accepted the property when X was broken/in Y condition")

- Landlords trying to scam you out of deposits

- Poorly maintained properties

- Up to 25% annual increases in rent

- Moderate to extreme difficulty actually finding somewhere

- Mold. It's incredible how many rentals have mold problems (in my experience)

- Moving costs if you are forced to move frequently

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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> The typical employment lifecycle of an engineer is: Get frustrated by the current company culture and/or benefits, let this frustration sit for way too long, snap and choose a random company whose recruiter just happened to reach out, join there, and repeat the cycle all over again. It's scary how real this is, but it's easy to say "don't do that", when all the inhibitions about leaving your current job rotate arou…

The key would be to pick a good company/team but are there any? I haven't found any, my work history is littered with terribly managed companies where nepotism is more important than competence, business people run tech departments with no tech experience, had a CEO go to jail for bribery which shut the company down, another company my entire team was let go 6 months after I started. Recruiters and companies who ghos…

My experiences at every company I've worked for (and the reasons I've departed from them) in my career have all given me additional signals to scan for in the recruitment stage, be it tech stack, culture, advancement, mentorship, etc. It's not a perfect system, but it's self-reinforcing and constantly improving -- I'm fortunate to be able to select for things I need/want and am not currently getting when I'm actively searching. This includes a comparatively brief but ultimately very stressful period of unemployment where the most important signal was "this role will pay me a salary".

Some bottom-of-the-barrel firehouses will absolutely disqualify themselves through their signaling in interview loops. But I think the reality is that at most places the dysfunction just won't become evident until you've been working there for a bit and the cracks start showing.

Which brings us back to another huge advantage of tech -- I think the "safest" landing spot (assuming your personal non-negotiables are satisfied) is the spot that gives you the most financial security to leave when you've seen enough. Assuming you have a good handle on your standards/costs of living and risk tolerance, after a certain breakpoint, more money saved means more time and less time-pressure to find the signals you care about. I don't think a "dream job" exists for me, but a better one always does.

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compare it to investing. Do you wait for the stock to go down and then sell, or do you sell when it's high and take your profit elsewhere? Even if you invest it in something that then goes down, you still made your profit. If you move before things get bad, you'll always be able to look back at your time at the company with happiness. No burnt bridges, no bitterness. Sure it's a risk to move somewhere else, but in th…

What is the indexed linked mutual fund of this analogy? Perhaps focusing on a specific technology or skillset such that you can be a contractor providing services to a range of other companies without having a commited relationship with any of them? (The index being your choice of technology / skills)

The index fund is the safe, big multinational corp that will never make you rich but probably never lay you off, just shuffle you around between orgs and pay for your retraining.

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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post #30

Sounds to me like author has had some bad experiences and is trying to generalize them. But I would have been curious to read about those things directly that inspired the author to write this, instead of the indirect points. It all seems reasonable stuff that most of us do when picking a place to live, work, etc. Of course buying a house will pin you to the surrounding area. And I don't know if anybody does that wit…

Precisely the opposite! Author is annoyed listening to friends complaining about mistakes that would have been easily avoided if they took time to think.

I appreciate your reply. Understandable that it probably would not be too polite to go into identifiable details in public then. :)

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key would be to pick a good company/team but are there any? I haven't found any, my work history is littered with terribly managed companies where nepotism is more important than competence, business people run tech departments with no tech experience, had a CEO go to jail for bribery which shut the company down, another company my entire team was let go 6 months after I started. Recruiters and companies who ghos…

My experiences at every company I've worked for (and the reasons I've departed from them) in my career have all given me additional signals to scan for in the recruitment stage, be it tech stack, culture, advancement, mentorship, etc. It's not a perfect system, but it's self-reinforcing and constantly improving -- I'm fortunate to be able to select for things I need/want and am not currently getting when I'm actively…

> But I think the reality is that at most places the dysfunction just won't become evident until you've been working there for a bit and the cracks start showing

This has been my experience too.

Companies rigorously test candidates for the right fit.

But I have not yet found how to accurately test for a company with a sane healthy working environment.

Re: Get ahead by not shooting yourself in the foot

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post #44
post #29

I grew up in Germany, where, for reasons I don't really know or understand right now, paying rent has been common and normal across a large part of the population since long before I was born. Buying an apartment or even house to live in almost seemed to be more like a "luxury" for rich people to me. I moved to the US a decade ago, and (I knew this before) the mindset seems to be that renting is only a temporary situ…

Aside from finance, a big motivation to buy a home in the UK is to have more self-determination in your home life. Renting places you under someone else's control to a large extent. You often can't decorate much. Can't fit better windows, and windows where I've rented have usually been poor quality. Can't replace the washing machine even if it's not working properly. Can't put up shelves. Can't fit solar panels or be…

Yes, most of these things are indeed different in Germany (and I knew of most of the situation in the UK, I know people who lived or live there and the differences are wild). For example:

> You often can't decorate much.

No issue unless you fix it back up when you move out.

> Can't fit better windows, and windows where I've rented have usually been poor quality.

There must be laws in Germany, because I don't remember living in an apartment where the windows weren't top notch. That's also very necessary with temperatures sometimes going below -10°C.

> Can't replace the washing machine even if it's not working properly.

Like all appliances, furniture, anything, it's "bring your own" in Germany (unless you have a common laundry area... not super common I think).

> Can't put up shelves.

Same as before, as long as you fix up the holes when you move out, not an issue.

> Can't fit solar panels or better insulation,

Don't know about solar panels. Like windows, never lived in an apartment without proper insulation in Germany (in the US on the other hand...).

> or replace carpets.

You can put in whatever floor you like as far as I know, and I've done so.

> Sometimes you can't even paint the walls.

Definitely not an issue in Germany.

This confirms my impression that renting in the UK is indeed very different from renting in Germany. It seems like the UK also treats renting as more of a short term arrangement, while in Germany people may spend decades or their entire life in their rental apartment, so it's their space to create.

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