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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by matheusmoreira »

version_five wrote: post #32
matheusmoreira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

I think there needs to be more work on open source hardware (and the associated fab capabilities to make what people want) in order to preserve computing freedom. I have no idea how to actually do this, but it feels like it should be prioritized

I agree. The only reason these "stakeholders" have any leverage at all with which to push this is the fact semiconductor fabrication currently costs billions of dollars. So while it is possible for us to make our own freedom-respecting software, freedom-respecting hardware is out of our reach. Hardware manufacturing is concentrated in the hands of few corporations and those are friendly towards the copyright industry and good targets for government regulation and intervention.

Some kind of innovation that lets people fabricate at home is necessary. Just like the free software compiler changed the software world, the free as in freedom fab must do the same for computer hardware. Access to fabrication must somehow be democratized or we'll never be free.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by pdonis »

version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

> people need to consider hardening their activities against google et al

Isn't your own solution--that you would never consider g-suite for any business application--the obvious simplest way to "harden" against Google?

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by idiotsecant »

version_five wrote: post #32
matheusmoreira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

I think there needs to be more work on open source hardware (and the associated fab capabilities to make what people want) in order to preserve computing freedom. I have no idea how to actually do this, but it feels like it should be prioritized

There are people trying to make hardware more open source and user friendly for the average user right now. The Framework laptop, for example, is not a perfect product with DIY silicon but it's well on it's way to open, repairable hardware, open bare iron code, and other user-friendly attributes.

It's also quite expensive because by definition such things will always be more expensive. Vote with your wallet and not just your HN post and you'll push the world just the tiniest bit in the direction you want.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by xiphias2 »

gruez wrote: post #21
xiphias2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the megacorps buy up the best competitors, there's not much chance left for people, just use them.

It's true to some extent, but in the file storage space it's not really applicable. There are hundreds of competitors, and I'm not even sure if any file storage providers got bought up by "megacorps".

Not really. I'm using all parts of Google suite together as they are well integrated with every device I have and eachother. I am using Adobe cloud for photos instead of Google photos for example, and even there I quite often feel the difference in integration with the Android operating system.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by mminer237 »

TT-392 wrote: post #28

"Thanks for helping google keep the web safe" Interesting thing to add in there, how on earth does copyright stuff have anything to do with safety?

I assume that message is used for both trojans and copyrighted content and that there's quite the overlap there.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by [deleted] »

dane-pgp wrote: post #3
version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

> ML enforcing rules is bad enough, not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. And potentially illegal. According to Article 22 of the GDPR: "The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her." I think that being accused of cop…

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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by kbrannigan »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #16
jrockway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long until cloud providers are forced to scan block devices, so you can't even self-host a file erroneously flagged by the ML? (Actually, how long until this is integrated with the "security engine" in CPUs, so you can't even hide with encryption? Everyone is talking about on-device voice-recognition and CSAM recognition, but no doubt the copyright lobby is going to push hard for this as well.)

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

Load up on usb drives. I mean really when did we suddenly become dependent on cloud services? It's phenomenon that's less than 15 years old.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by foxfluff »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #41
version_five wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there needs to be more work on open source hardware (and the associated fab capabilities to make what people want) in order to preserve computing freedom. I have no idea how to actually do this, but it feels like it should be prioritized

I agree. The only reason these "stakeholders" have any leverage at all with which to push this is the fact semiconductor fabrication currently costs billions of dollars. So while it is possible for us to make our own freedom-respecting software, freedom-respecting hardware is out of our reach. Hardware manufacturing is concentrated in the hands of few corporations and those are friendly towards the copyright industry…

Making fabrication accessible would definitely be nice.

In the meanwhile, I'd be interested in finding a community that puts "relatively open" hardware to good use. That includes old computers that won't grow antifeatures on their own, but also e.g. microcontrollers. I believe the dual-core 125MHz $1 Raspberry RP2040 is more powerful than my first PC was (although it might have less RAM and unfortunately can't be transparently expanded as far as I know). It's not exactly open hardware but it's well documented, and even the boot rom is open source (that is rare). You don't exactly have lots of integrated peripherals (e.g. ethernet) so it'd be very difficult for them to have some kind of remote backdoor. It's also quite simple to program; a hacker scale operating system is entirely feasible.

And that is of course just one of many choices out there. There are far more powerful microcontrollers out there. And by their nature, it's not going to be very easy for the copyright mafia to get their slimy tentacles between you and the core.

You'd give up a lot of power but on the other hand, I could buy 500 of them for the price of my laptop. I don't know, maybe we don't need to run everything on a single high performance CPU and could instead have a small cluster; perhaps each chip running its own application?

It's definitely not a "ready world" but I see lots of possibilities and am excited for the future of microcontrollers. But I'm also seeing the line between microcontrollers and processors getting blurred.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by kadoban »

klyrs wrote: post #30
tempodox wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that going viral on Twitter is the only functional help desk for such situations, “Tweet storm as a service” would be a promising proposition.

You don't think that would automatically get shut down for spam-like activity?

Most of the spam bots don't, they'd have a good shot if they don't put all their eggs in one basket.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by babycake »

version_five wrote: post #32
matheusmoreira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

I think there needs to be more work on open source hardware (and the associated fab capabilities to make what people want) in order to preserve computing freedom. I have no idea how to actually do this, but it feels like it should be prioritized

For sure, but companies didn't win by building a better product. They won because of copyright laws that helped them to enforce their goal of profits.

If we want computing freedom, or in other words: consumer rights, then we need to enact laws that are pro-consumer to ensure an open future. Things like being able to repair our devices were taken away (Apple) and brought semi-back with right-to-repair laws (albeit only proposed atm), ownership of software and your data taken away by online services (Adobe, etc), and lots others.

Having open source hardware won't stop companies trying to take control away. We already see Microsoft and their SecureBoot problems with Linux. Or maybe they just won't support those open source machines by refusing to deploy their OS or whatever. Then what audience are you gonna have to make that product successful to become the new standard?

Laws are the only way to force everyone to play nice. We can have the nicest open source stack, but that's nothing if companies can just seize them with their own laws.

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