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Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by selimthegrim »

samstave wrote: post #31
encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

This should surprise no one since the spyware was developed by Israeli intelligence agencies.

If we learned nothing from STUXNET/DUQU.... Israel has literally the most advanced capabilities in this area that we are aware of... I mean - do you recall, as a part of the Snowden leaks, there was a small amount of information that came out that there was some channel/mechanism by which israel was effectively given a firehose of data from the collective five-eyes... I don't quite recall the details, but it was a re…

It wasn’t just on Palestinian-Americans?

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Post by beckman466 »

samstave wrote: post #20
shmatt wrote: post #2

Once the method exists. i'd just assume its everywhere We know about Pegasus/NSO and its a fun subject to follow, but in all honesty, every engineer privy to the 0-day bank that powers it could build one of their own, or sell it to another group, and no one would know

Imagine some group that duplicates Pegasus/NSO -- compromises it but sells it AS Pegasus/NSO to unsuspecting, less-savvy nation-states and effectively uses /IT/ to infiltrate/backdoor the intelligence/LEO ops of said customer state... Or is that what Pegasus/NSO basically already provide, as a feature?

> Or is that what Pegasus/NSO basically already provide, as a feature?

considering shell are mainly used for deeply corrupt ends, this isn't a far stretch. similarly, things that seem like duopolies today might well be revealed to be monopolies in reality if actual ownership records became public. i imagine the false public perception of a market that has fair competition is very valuable as it maintains the illusion of choice. similarly, regarding spying by USA; i imagine Crypto AG was/isn't the only CIA front.

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Post by p1necone »

rowathay wrote: post #35
p1necone wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't blame this on "wokeness", being pro Israel at least in the USA is a right wing thing, at least from my perspective as an outsider.

US citizen here, and you are correct. The farther left you go, the more anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic sentiment you’ll find.

No, that's not what I meant at all. Being opposed to Israel and the impact they have on their neighbours !== being antisemitic.

It's my understanding that pro-Israeli sentiment on the right is somewhat rooted in antisemitism in the first place. They love the idea of Jews having their own country away from everyone else.

Besides, the whole Q conspiracy wing currently taking over the American right is blatantly antisemitic.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by efdee »

maratc wrote: post #40
saiya-jin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a bit easier for Israel - if you are an outsider (99.9% of mankind) and dare criticize it anyhow, you are quickly marked either a) antisemitic or b) supporting islamic terrorism, or some mix of those. Nobody wants to touch that with 10 foot pole in woke era.

> dare criticize it anyhow, you are quickly marked either a) antisemitic I don't think this is a good representation of anti-anti-Israel debate. The opposite of antisemitism is equality, where there is no "special" treatment of either Jews or Israel. Anyone can criticize Israel for its policies, provided they also criticize other states that have similar policies and not "single out" Israel as such. If only Israel is…

But isn't that just a roundabout way of describing whataboutism?

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

mateo1 wrote: post #21
Barrin92 wrote: post #17

People used to quip that Prussia is an army with a country rather than the other way around, it seems like if you add the modern intelligence sector that describes Israel. With all the concerns about 'Military-civil fusion ' as it's called in China or Russia I always found it funny that Israel might as well be the country that has merged both spheres most successfully but nobody really seems to care at all.

A lot of people voice their concerns, including a lot of Israelis, but what can you do? Israel is a democracy and the majority votes for far right militaristic candidates and parties. Whether or not you hear about these concerns in public discourse in your country's media depends on your current foreign policy.

Maybe if they let us call it left-wing to have literally any politics other than unilateral surrender to the people still at war with us (even as we achieve normalization with more and more countries!), we'd vote more left-wing.

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Post by ak39 »

yonixw wrote: post #37
terr-dav wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

Yep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Gaza? The apartheid of curse. Disgusting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...

Have they given up West Bank yet?

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Post by arminiusreturns »

rowathay wrote: post #35
p1necone wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't blame this on "wokeness", being pro Israel at least in the USA is a right wing thing, at least from my perspective as an outsider.

US citizen here, and you are correct. The farther left you go, the more anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic sentiment you’ll find.

Maybe in the people, but AIPAC is the most feared lobby group across both sides of the isle for politicians. Russiagate is a joke compared to how much influence they have on our foreign policy, and its a travesty that their activities and heavy-handed influence is spoken of so quietly if at all.

Signed, Iraq war vet (it was more for Israels interests than ours!)

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Post by p1necone »

maratc wrote: post #40
saiya-jin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a bit easier for Israel - if you are an outsider (99.9% of mankind) and dare criticize it anyhow, you are quickly marked either a) antisemitic or b) supporting islamic terrorism, or some mix of those. Nobody wants to touch that with 10 foot pole in woke era.

> dare criticize it anyhow, you are quickly marked either a) antisemitic I don't think this is a good representation of anti-anti-Israel debate. The opposite of antisemitism is equality, where there is no "special" treatment of either Jews or Israel. Anyone can criticize Israel for its policies, provided they also criticize other states that have similar policies and not "single out" Israel as such. If only Israel is…

Israel gets singled out because it's a (very) close US ally and therefore should be under more criticism than the average country.

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Post by teluride5 »

dang wrote: post #11
teluride5 wrote: post #6

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Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. Last thing we need here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sure, though can you explain how pointing out hypocrisy is nationalistic? Nobody is saying either country is better or worse.
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