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Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Post by ben_w »

tialaramex wrote: post #31
stephen_g wrote: post #2

Those stunts sound super creepy and messed up. Weird, manipulative campaign. This shouldn't really be legal surely in democracies to have campaigns that "appear to be the result of grassroots campaigns and children's charities, while downplaying any Government involvement", when it's a political manipulation campaign paid for, coordinated and organised by the Government themselves. I really hope the counter-campaign…

I mean, the present UK government also broke a whole bunch of other laws, so, why would they care if it's illegal? The current British Prime Minister was literally fired from a previous job as a journalist because he can't stop telling lies. It's worth making a distinction from Trump here. Trump wasn't a liar, Trump was a bullshitter . A Liar knows what the truth is, and is trying to convince you of a falsehood, bull…

Given that distinction between liar and bullshitter, I think Johnson is not even capable of comprehending that “truth” is a concept, let alone that other people can and do judge him for saying untrue things.

Main example that gives me this belief is this: https://youtu.be/wzUDRyciqVM

Where Boris Johnson says “well actually there’s no press here” to a man who responds by turning to and pointing out the press cameras filming both of them having this conversation and saying “What do you mean there is no press here? What are they then?”

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Post by ben_w »

samwillis wrote: post #38
jevoten wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The police and intelligences agencies aren’t intercepting the communications of normal and petty criminals. Snowden showed otherwise - they're spying on everyone's conversations, criminal or not.

If they did have that capability do you think they would use it to take down and prosecute a small time drug dealer exposing what they are doing? Even exposing this capability to the Police by give them “secret” intelligence would inevitably result in the knowledge of their capabilities leaking. If they do have this capability it is only every going to be used for large scale organised crime, terrorism and state secu…

They do have this capacity. Given that the existence of this capacity is now public, it is my belief the UK is mainly limited by a combination of selective enforcement, lack of courts and lack of police (weirdly, given their preferred “tough on crime” rhetoric, U.K. courts and police are severely underfunded right now).

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Post by KaiserPro »

adventured wrote: post #39
rosndo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does Prince Andrew have to do with the government?

The United Kingdom is a monarchy ruled by Queen Elizabeth (the mother of Andrew), even though the British people go far out of their way to pretend that's not the case. It's why Boris Johnson had to meet with the queen about forming a new government. Why is she involved at all? It's because she rules the United Kingdom in fact. Andrew's family rules Britain (for what, 1200 years? [1]), that's quite relevant to the co…

> Shall we pretend that the family that has ruled Britain for 1200 years has no political power? Har har.

That's like saying the Church of England still has significant political power. it still has the ability to take tithes, although they are mostly optional.

The present royal family only really dates back to victoria, I mean sure they are tangentially related to the german/dutch/scots/danish that ruled before, but its not that strong.

The monarchy is constitutional technical debt. Technically the queen can refuse to sign laws, and dissolve parliament, but as the constitution is basically "because we said so" it'll be the last thing the queen does.

The queen has "influence", but not political power.

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

petre wrote: post #27
mbroncano wrote: post #9

Does anybody know how (or even if) these kind of campaigns are run in the US?

No, in the US the government just classified encryption as weapons unsuitable for export. A more clean approach, rather than think of the children shenigans, all while certain members of the royal family have ties with a convicted child trafficker and his wife.

> in the US the government just classified encryption as weapons unsuitable for export.

... You realize that that hasn't been the case for ~20 years, right?

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Post by mattlondon »

jevoten wrote: post #40

> The new campaign, however, is entirely focused on the argument that improved encryption would hamper efforts to tackle child exploitation online. I bet cars and homes without microphones and cameras spying on their residents also hampers their efforts to keep children safe - are those next on the chopping block? They're already spying on near every street corner, after all. Funny how they never say "Technology has…

> They're already spying on near every street corner, after all.

Citation needed.

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Post by belter »

jevoten wrote: post #40

> The new campaign, however, is entirely focused on the argument that improved encryption would hamper efforts to tackle child exploitation online. I bet cars and homes without microphones and cameras spying on their residents also hampers their efforts to keep children safe - are those next on the chopping block? They're already spying on near every street corner, after all. Funny how they never say "Technology has…

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Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Post by jevoten »

mattlondon wrote: post #45
jevoten wrote: post #40

> The new campaign, however, is entirely focused on the argument that improved encryption would hamper efforts to tackle child exploitation online. I bet cars and homes without microphones and cameras spying on their residents also hampers their efforts to keep children safe - are those next on the chopping block? They're already spying on near every street corner, after all. Funny how they never say "Technology has…

> They're already spying on near every street corner, after all. Citation needed.

One surveillance camera for every 11 people in Britain, says CCTV survey - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/10172298/One-surveill...

I'll leave it to you to estimate how many people live per street corner, on average.

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Post by mattlondon »

hn_version_0023 wrote: post #16
basisword wrote: post #10

This is just exasperating. Pro privacy? You’re responsible for child abuse. Every time you think the current British government can’t sink any lower…

Seems to me its the people in the government who are widely responsible for child abuse. Just ask Prince Andrew.

The royal family has no involvement with the UK government.

The queen is officially head of state, but in reality does what she is told by the current party in power (queen's speech is written for her for example).

Re: UK government plans publicity blitz against encrypted communications

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Post by [deleted] »

mattlondon wrote: post #45
jevoten wrote: post #40

> The new campaign, however, is entirely focused on the argument that improved encryption would hamper efforts to tackle child exploitation online. I bet cars and homes without microphones and cameras spying on their residents also hampers their efforts to keep children safe - are those next on the chopping block? They're already spying on near every street corner, after all. Funny how they never say "Technology has…

> They're already spying on near every street corner, after all. Citation needed.

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