Kind of like the Vikings.
Dark Web – Justice League
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#42Do yourself a favor and demystify the dark web for yourself.
Some of the best information is exclusively nestled in forums and marketplaces over there.
If you rely on an incentive model of being caught in order to behave, something darknet doesnt offer, that says more about you than anyone else.
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#44These kinds of alternative justice systems always seem fascinating to me. I feel like a sociological study on "alternative forms of justice" could be very fruitful.
There's been some good research into the history of legal systems. See David Friedman's book Legal Systems Very Different From Ours [1]. There's a small section about prisoners. But a new chapter could definitely be written about cyber-criminals! [1] http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Legal%20Systems/LegalSystemsCo...
+1 for this fascinating read. As soon as I read the GP's comment I wanted to link this.
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#45No ability to enforce makes it moot. At most you get banned from the forum.
Mute? Or moot?
"When the parties agreed, they could lay their dispute before the moot, whose members, much like present-day mediators, attempted to facilitate an accommodation that the disputing parties found acceptable. When reached, such accommodations resolved the dispute in a way that preserved the peace of the community."
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=586941
This is like a buy-one-get-one-free comment, not only is the above about evolved dispute resolution systems, it mention the moot.
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#46One wonders if being a judge on one of these cases would be illegal as well.
I could see the logic for a judge being considered an accessory.
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#47This just shows that people naturally gravitate toward a system of social harmony and the rule of law, as it lets you reasonably adjust your behavior, as the expectations are formalized, and everyone else is assumed to be abiding by them. The irony is that real world is increasingly moving away from that, toward the "everyone for themselves, nothing matters" chaos.
Words are thoughts. Thoughts are mental processes. Be careful with treating similarity in appearance with equivalence in substance.
> social harmony and the rule of law
The association between the story and social harmony seems plausible, but actually superficial.
Social harmony would be that people involuntarily work together without an authority, and reached mutual agreement on their dispute. To me, it is a sign of social conflicts that dark web actors need arbitration.
Although that by itself matches our impression that dark web actors are lawless individuals should be punished. More ironically, the story actually shows that they are not lawless in the absolute sense. They just breakd the laws majority of the society abides by (or the majority actually do not even realize exits).
> rule of law
You know, rule of law is more of a political term nowadays. It refers to a western style of political organization framework centered on written laws and a voting process to revising them, and many other subtle details.
Is arbitration on darkweb an example of rule by law?
I tend to say no. Arbiter is necessary in all steps, and they seem are not codifying their "laws" for dealing with the future occrance of similar litigation at all.
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#48Every system ends up needing: - trust - rules - enforcement I'm not even surprised such a system exists, because full anarchy where no one trusts anyone is not good even in theory.
> full anarchy I know what you mean, but it's unfortunate that anarchism is sometimes a synonym for "no rules" when it doesn't mean that at all. I think this system is actually very anarchist.
Right. I used to think this as well. In its most basic form, it means no ruler. I view anarchism as the ultimate counter to authoritarianism. The older I get, the more it becomes apparent to me that all of our world governments are authoritarian to a degree, including supposed democratic ones, and there seems to be this arbitrary threshold of "ok now we call this regime authoritarian". But every government rules through multiple forms of coercion. Some are more authoritarian than others, but nonetheless, authoritarian.
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#49These kinds of alternative justice systems always seem fascinating to me. I feel like a sociological study on "alternative forms of justice" could be very fruitful.
Interestingly, Medieval Iceland had a polycentric legal system where you could sell the wrong done to you to someone who had more money to prosecute. There's an interesting discussion/description in "The Machinery of Freedom", a book about anarchocapitalism. It's freely available online - http://www.daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf
>legal system where you could sell the wrong done to you to someone who had more money to prosecute.
and now we just have contingency
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#50Is this anarchism? That being naturally emergent formal processes for things which would normally be handled by the government/legal system.
Most anarchist theories revolve around formal power structures, just decentralized ones, but, they are all voluntary. This seems to be involuntary, as being are being "brought" to court.