Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see the issue. People (should) have a right to meet other people with similar interests and organise.
Yes, but there's limits - like similar interests in extremism, calls to violence, assassination plots...
Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
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Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#42This will be interesting. Some background for the discussion: - Germany has a different take on freedom of speech from the US. There are things that you cannot say (holocaust denial, inciting racial violence). We can argue about this, but it's deeply ingrained in the legal system and unrealistic to change - Germany has a special law regulating responsibilities and content moderation in social media (NetzDG, think sec…
The equivalent to section 230 would be Section 10 Telemediengesetz, but from my own experience law enforcement here seizes first and asks questions later for anyone that's not a household name. NetzDG is much less broad, only applying to social networks (so not Telegram) with more than 2M users.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#43On an unrelated note - Telegram is already heavily censored on iPhones because of app store policies and the team refuses to put out an uncensored IPA file that we can sideload to our phones. If someone from the team reads this (I doubt it, since they are very disconnected from western media) please consider it. You already do it for Android!
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of curiosity what do you mean by censored? Are there groups that cannot be listed on the iphone app?
Exactly, channels, groups, and bots.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#45Whats new is "I want to band all criticism of my religion", that aspect is new for the "free" west.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#46This will be interesting. Some background for the discussion: - Germany has a different take on freedom of speech from the US. There are things that you cannot say (holocaust denial, inciting racial violence). We can argue about this, but it's deeply ingrained in the legal system and unrealistic to change - Germany has a special law regulating responsibilities and content moderation in social media (NetzDG, think sec…
> the German government saying: Look here, you got a bunch of criminals and terrorists (literally, with weapons) on your platform, you need to do something about it. This sounds like a police matter, and should be a question that is asked to, not by, the government. Not that any government understands that…
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#47This will be interesting. Some background for the discussion: - Germany has a different take on freedom of speech from the US. There are things that you cannot say (holocaust denial, inciting racial violence). We can argue about this, but it's deeply ingrained in the legal system and unrealistic to change - Germany has a special law regulating responsibilities and content moderation in social media (NetzDG, think sec…
The notion of a government watching over group conversations is scary .
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#48Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
say what you want there are stickers all over Hamburg asking you to join telegram channels if you need drugs, if you are racist or a so called "querdenker". It may not be the main use of telegram but if you are a member of the public only seeing these kind of stickers everywhere would make me worry as well.
I don't see the issue. People (should) have a right to meet other people with similar interests and organise.
Oh wait I know you yourself know nothing about this situation.
Oh wait you yourself never got death threats to your personal mail and home?
Oh wait its not like the article is saying that closing it would be the last resort...