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Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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I don't see the issue. People (should) have a right to meet other people with similar interests and organise.

Yes, but there's limits - like similar interests in extremism, calls to violence, assassination plots...

Everybody wants to be the one who decides what is extreme and what is mainstream so they can silence and ostracise those who don't think the way they do.

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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This will be interesting. Some background for the discussion: - Germany has a different take on freedom of speech from the US. There are things that you cannot say (holocaust denial, inciting racial violence). We can argue about this, but it's deeply ingrained in the legal system and unrealistic to change - Germany has a special law regulating responsibilities and content moderation in social media (NetzDG, think sec…

The equivalent to section 230 would be Section 10 Telemediengesetz, but from my own experience law enforcement here seizes first and asks questions later for anyone that's not a household name. NetzDG is much less broad, only applying to social networks (so not Telegram) with more than 2M users.

Why is Telegram not a social network? What's the key differences between a social network, a forum and a messenger service (with groups) that we could define to figure out what telegram actually is?

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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On an unrelated note - Telegram is already heavily censored on iPhones because of app store policies and the team refuses to put out an uncensored IPA file that we can sideload to our phones. If someone from the team reads this (I doubt it, since they are very disconnected from western media) please consider it. You already do it for Android!

you can always build your own app from source IF that's an option. The app itself is open source. https://github.com/TelegramMessenger/Telegram-iOS

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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Out of curiosity what do you mean by censored? Are there groups that cannot be listed on the iphone app?

Exactly, channels, groups, and bots.

Interesting I had no idea. So, there’s groups that would work on the web client presumably but not the app. What happens if you join that group using your browser and attempt to see it in the app?

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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This will be interesting. Some background for the discussion: - Germany has a different take on freedom of speech from the US. There are things that you cannot say (holocaust denial, inciting racial violence). We can argue about this, but it's deeply ingrained in the legal system and unrealistic to change - Germany has a special law regulating responsibilities and content moderation in social media (NetzDG, think sec…

> the German government saying: Look here, you got a bunch of criminals and terrorists (literally, with weapons) on your platform, you need to do something about it. This sounds like a police matter, and should be a question that is asked to, not by, the government. Not that any government understands that…

That is exactly what has happened? The police will be aware of this, and the government need to decide what to do.... The first step is clearly to engage with the platform. Maybe its you that doesn't understand?

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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This will be interesting. Some background for the discussion: - Germany has a different take on freedom of speech from the US. There are things that you cannot say (holocaust denial, inciting racial violence). We can argue about this, but it's deeply ingrained in the legal system and unrealistic to change - Germany has a special law regulating responsibilities and content moderation in social media (NetzDG, think sec…

The notion of a government watching over group conversations is scary .

Is it a group or a public forum? With the t.me links, isn't it more like a public forum?

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the issue. People (should) have a right to meet other people with similar interests and organise.

Yes, but there's limits - like similar interests in extremism, calls to violence, assassination plots...

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Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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say what you want there are stickers all over Hamburg asking you to join telegram channels if you need drugs, if you are racist or a so called "querdenker". It may not be the main use of telegram but if you are a member of the public only seeing these kind of stickers everywhere would make me worry as well.

I don't see the issue. People (should) have a right to meet other people with similar interests and organise.

So its okay for people to leak addresses of politicians and call on other to kill them? They match your interests and they can organize.

Oh wait I know you yourself know nothing about this situation.

Oh wait you yourself never got death threats to your personal mail and home?

Oh wait its not like the article is saying that closing it would be the last resort...

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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They tried to block it in Russia in 2018. And failed miserably. Blocking entire subnets, millions of IP addresses on AWS, DigitalOcean and other providers, but Telegram servers can hope between different instances, so it ended up as wack-a-moll where thousands of innocents sites were blocked including some government-related services, banks, payment processing, my little startup project hosted on DO, but not Telegram
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