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Re: Saipan claims ComputerLand founder owes taxes

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Post by bugsy »

dhbanes wrote: post #29
Steko wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A negative outcome for all of us would be to have a 20+ year tax cheat end up owing nothing. You can bet the plutocracy will be watching this case closely.

Excuse me, but why do you believe Millard to be guilty of tax evasion? The fact that the WSJ claims him to be does not make it so. Here is some more information about Millard, you can find it by restricting your google search to items published before 9/1/11 - http://articles.latimes.com/1986-08-25/business/fi-16194_1_t... It seems there was more talk about the fact that Saipan was trying get his money by changing th…

Thank you very very much for posting that 1986 article which documents clearly the facts of what was been going on. It is an established documented fact that the tax changes were in fact retroactive and specifically targeted to loot and pillage him specifically.

Re: Saipan claims ComputerLand founder owes taxes

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Post by anamax »

sc68cal wrote: post #10
krschultz wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine the downvotes have a lot more to do with the way you wrote and not what you wrote.

Perhaps, but again - there is some seriously messed up stuff going on there. It's hard to not be outraged and have that spill over. He's outraged at the situation (in addition to being downvoted for the TRUTH), so I think it's understandable.

> (in addition to being downvoted for the TRUTH),

How do you know why he's being downvoted? I'd guess that he's being downvoted for his ignorant bigotry towards "hillbillies".

> He's outraged at the situation ..., so I think it's understandable.

Sorry, but outrage, legit or not, is not an acceptable excuse for slaming people who have nothing to do with whatever it is you're outraged about.

Re: Saipan claims ComputerLand founder owes taxes

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Post by cookiecaper »

lucasjung wrote: post #24
bugsy wrote: post #2

I remember ComputerLand stores. Sounds like he was a hard working guy who earned his success. Saipan is one of the most corrupt backwards places on earth. As a US trust territory, for many years they had slave plantations that produced clothing for chinese companies which was labelled "Made in USA". Many workers were kept under brutal conditions, raped, beaten and killed. The Saipanese are mostly incredibly lazy and…

I wouldn't have downvoted you, but then your edit included some incredibly bigoted and unwarranted stereotypes: > ...fundamentalist christian [sic] ignorant half retarded hillbilly sex fiend town... > Typical small town american [sic] fundamentalist hillbillies... > Southern Bible Thumping Fundamentalist > The fundamentalist missionaries infected them with the peculiar sort of madness, entitlement, laziness and corru…

Same, had no problem until I read the edit. I'm not an evangelical and certainly have my qualms with them, but I have some serious issues with bugsy's characterization. Living in the (mainland) US, you are exposed to many Christians of many denominations, and I don't know of a significant group yet that can be characterized as entitled, lazy, mad, etc. That may be an appropriate characterization for some of their oppressive false priests, but it definitely doesn't apply to the generality of congregants of any major religious group in the US of which I am aware.

Re: Saipan claims ComputerLand founder owes taxes

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Post by Natsu »

rhizome wrote: post #13
krschultz wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine the downvotes have a lot more to do with the way you wrote and not what you wrote.

Well, elevating form over content is a hallmark of the superficial. Formalism dictates that the way something is said is more important than the meaning of the words.

And ignoring form causes negative reactions that are best avoided, particularly in cases like this where they are unnecessary.

What's better is a happy medium, wherein one does not go overboard in either direction.

Re: Saipan claims ComputerLand founder owes taxes

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Post by blackguy »

nl wrote: post #16

A devotee of est, a faddish self-empowerment regimen of that era What is est ? Google and Wikipedia seem quite unhelpful. Edit: found it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Seminars_Training

it might be bad form to just be unabashedly for anyone or anything in this world, and, the way the whole thing occurs to me is that werner erhard is one of the GREAT misunderstood mysteries of our time. He is just an average guy who really got into what he was into which was empowering others effectively, I have never met e person who was more compassionate and useful and humble and not caring about $ than this guy, yet the media and anyone with a grievance promoted and repromoted and repromoted a view quite the opposite of him and that is what stuck and what gets repeated when referring to him. Just as well, being in the public spot light sucks and is one of the most useless grotesque phenomenas in society today in my opinion. what artist or politician or person exercising some kind of leadership in life does not inevitably experience the "crowned" turning on them?

the world would be a better place if there war more werner erhards, people who made the success of all humanity as their own personal business.

Re: Saipan claims ComputerLand founder owes taxes

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Post by yardie »

raganwald wrote: post #3
bugsy wrote: post #2

I remember ComputerLand stores. Sounds like he was a hard working guy who earned his success. Saipan is one of the most corrupt backwards places on earth. As a US trust territory, for many years they had slave plantations that produced clothing for chinese companies which was labelled "Made in USA". Many workers were kept under brutal conditions, raped, beaten and killed. The Saipanese are mostly incredibly lazy and…

If I earn $1.00 and owe 20 cents in taxes, I’ve earned my success in the amount of eighty cents’ worth of financial prosperity. If I keep the entire dollar, I have earned my eighty cents AND I owe 20 cents in unpaid taxes. This gentleman has not been convicted of any crime, but it is certainly possible that he has “earned his success” AND that he owes money for unpaid taxes.

did you not read the part where they backdated the changes? So if you owe 5 cent in taxes and pay that and then a few years later the gov't says "we changed the code you owe us 50 cents and this retroactively applies to the last few years." You would be perfectly okay with that?

Re: Saipan claims ComputerLand founder owes taxes

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Post by Gormo »

rhizome wrote: post #13
krschultz wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine the downvotes have a lot more to do with the way you wrote and not what you wrote.

Well, elevating form over content is a hallmark of the superficial. Formalism dictates that the way something is said is more important than the meaning of the words.

But form is content in its own right; in a forum, the tone, diction and precision of someone's contribution contains a lot of metadata about their own emotional investment in the topic, relevant background knowledge, and willingness to participate in constructive discussion.

Bugsy's comment may have included some factually accurate content, but his form of expression is a signal of questionable credibility and a potential conversational rathole (such as this has become) should one choose to engage him further.

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