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Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by GauntletWizard »

routerl wrote: post #7
gerikson wrote: post #4

Fascinating to learn about the "Blue/Green" divide in Taiwanese attitudes to China. Does anyone know where the colors comes from?

Green is the color of the Democratic Progressive Party (currently in power, and the historical anti-KMT (read: anti-authoritarian) party)[0]. Green has thus become the color of the Taiwanese independence movement (i.e. not "Republic of China", but "Republic of Taiwan") Blue is the color of the KMT (former dictator party)[1], whose logo is still the top-left quadrant of the flag of Taiwan[2]. Historically, this party…

How did that takeover happen?

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Post by krageon »

forvelin wrote: post #26
krageon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan is the leftover of the fascist faction, is it not? Not exactly a paragon of Chinese cultural history. We're just looking at a very, very slow civil war.

Nationalists for many, fascists for some. One should not evaluate Chinese civil war with European eyeglasses.

I'm just trying to get an honest overview of the history. Fascist is not necessarily a dirty word, just a style of government.

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Post by schappim »

rackjack wrote: post #36
throw8932894 wrote: post #22

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??? The teachings of Confucius, the food, even those big red door decorations with the symbols on them, and so on... are these not things that are still endemic across the mainland? It is simply absurd to claim Chinese culture only survived in "a few small places" in the mainland.

It's also pretty hard to claim there is one Chinese culture.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by platinumrad »

starfallg wrote: post #34
spoonjim wrote: post #25

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What are the elements of "Chinese culture" that persist in Taiwan and were eliminated in Mainland China?

Almost everything, including the writing system. They even thought about romanisation, but instead just settled on butchering many of the complex characters without fully considering the historical, linguistic or aesthetic concerns.

Even if you are a staunch traditionalist, "almost everything" is a massive exaggeration. The entire country still effectively shuts down for two weeks during the lunar new year. Sure this would be among the first things to go in an authoritarian state hell-bent on industrialization and yet it has persisted.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by pessimizer »

ekianjo wrote: post #31
laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

It's journalism by selective editing. Fairly widespread practice.

The extremely budget modern version is the "Public Reacts" article that's a few paragraphs of bare editorial followed by 6-12 tweets with about 6-12 likes each.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by iso1210 »

laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

I was at an election briefing at a large media organisation a few years ago, one of the chief editors told the journalists "We can't stop you using vox pops, but please don't use them much" and that (paraphrasing) "they are usually awful, we know they add color but they detract from the story and become the story"

Of course "Person confirming stereotype" attracts clicks and shares, is easy to do, and that's good for career progression. Actually finding out what's happening, explaining what it means, the who, what, where, when, why of the story, that's hard.

Much easier to say

"Mr X thinks this is terrible"

Than say

"This is terrible because...., but it's good because...."

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by rackjack »

schappim wrote: post #39
spoonjim wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the elements of "Chinese culture" that persist in Taiwan and were eliminated in Mainland China?

Some elements that come to mind: - Traditional Chinese characters used more often in Taiwan than Mainland China. - Yayue (3,000 years old Chinese court music). - Taiwanese recreation of Tang Dynasty dances. - In Taiwan poems are composed/written/recited in Hokkien, on the mainland it is done in Mandarin. - The preservation of uninterrupted institutional religion (eg Daoist priests) that was largely shutdown in China.…

This is interesting. It's a shame the grandparent is so binary, as if Chinese culture is a bacteria that can be purged and survive in pockets instead of something that ebbs and flows, as all cultures do.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by netcan »

This is an instance of something true-by-default about media, journalism & such. What you see, read or hear is a story. A story told by a journalist or producer.

It might be plants. It might be selective editing, with certain interviews making the cut... possibly a minority from a wide selection. The choice of question. The choice of location. Etc. It's just generally true that these are stories contrived by someone.

We know this intellectually, but seeing and hearing still tends to beat our skepticism. Reality TV is, to me, the perfect example of this. Even though everyone knows reality TV is fake, we usually "forget" that a conversation between 2 people is taking place in front of a cameraman. That is, we don't really forget, but we also don't interpret the conversation as we would if we actually saw the cameraman.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by captainmuon »

throw8932894 wrote: post #22
kinghtown wrote: post #17

I live in Taiwan. Very, very few people here are pro-PRC. Tons of Taiwanese people love China and culturally consider themselves Chinese (to be clear, not Chinese citizens.) The vast majority of people disagree on if they should either give up and surrender to the PRC because they may launch missiles or invade once they have a non-laughing stock navy, avoid a bloody war, or if China wouldn’t dare to do that because i…

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Not to take sides here, but China is big and saying "Chinese culture" is a bit like "European culture". Didn't the ROC displace the native culture and languages of Tawian when they fled?

Also I would think the abolisment of imperal rule and a lot of imperial culture is one of the very few things KMT and CCP can agree on.

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