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> I would assume it wouldn't be a Good Thing for that place to also be on fire. The radioactive stuff was all removed or well buried. I’m more worried about the large subdivision built on the site burning down.
I think the issue is how well remediated it’s actually is. I presume that there are a reasonable number of people who doubt that the remediation was actually complete enough to be safe against wild fires
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#42My house probably burned, we’ll find out in the morning. Family is safe, got out in time and we have a place to stay, so blessed in that regard. We just moved from the Bay Area last year. This isn’t an area in the wilderness, it’s suburbia. This would be like if 600 homes on the edge of Fremont or San Jose burned. Freak situation where we haven’t had rain in 3 months, winds were super high, temps were high for Dec, a…
My area has just been removed from the pre-evacuation zone, since the winds have finally subsided.
For anyone that doesn't live here, this was caused by Chinook winds that were stronger than usual combined with extremely dry air and vegetation. My specific location had 115 mph gusts today. When you live here you get used to the Chinooks but today was extreme. Entire house was shaking.
To add color to the comment above, it is indeed an extremely suburban area. The fire started on Marshall Mesa, which is a popular mountain biking trail. Notably if you go east from Marshall Mesa you suddenly hit a shopping center with a Costco and a Target. The fire went east and directly into the shopping center along with all of the homes clustered in the neighborhoods around it. Terrible, and with very little warning.
I hope your house is okay. I'm very glad your family is safe.
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#43Is this due to the unusually warm winter?
I'm not a Coloradan, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in Boulder on my trip this summer... It's the end of December and apparently there's no snow (!!?) at 5000ft in Colorado? Insane.
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#44I don’t believe danger is imminent but it is incredible how close this fire is to the former Rocky Flats. This is the second time in as many years I’ve been surprised to see fires close enough to be viewed from the front yard - in exact opposite directions. I’m at the N Boulder rec center with my partner (a reporter) covering this for the NYT. Thankfully it seems quiet and the wind is dying down. Pray for snow!
It should be noted that the contaminated areas of Rocky flats are extremely secure and buried under massively overbuilt layers of concrete containments. The EPA milked the site for super fund money for probably a decade longer than it needed to for the cleanup. If you're wondering how I know this it's because I have several neighbors who used to work at the plant and then worked on the EPA-led cleanup when it was a super fund site.
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#45If anyone from this area wants to talk, I'm game. Email's in my profile.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I would assume it wouldn't be a Good Thing for that place to also be on fire. The radioactive stuff was all removed or well buried. I’m more worried about the large subdivision built on the site burning down.
Eh, the place that built the subdivision sues the crap out of anyone that tries to get more testing done. And there's a lot of methodological issues with the tests that they do have. Like using gamma radiation tests for plutonium contamination (plutonium is primarily an alpha emitter as it decays). Also the fuckers had the audacity to name the subdivision 'Candelas'. For those following along at home, Rocky Flats was…
When you purchase a home there you are legally required to be provided and then sign a document that outlines the history of the Rocky Flats plutonium facility. I was provided this document and had to sign it as do every other homeowner here.
What I've learned is that people who don't really know anyone that lives there or have never bothered to talk to anyone who purchased homes make assumptions about the entire area. They assume that the people that purchase homes were ignorant rubes who weren't aware of the sites history. I knew about the site and researched it for well over a year before I chose to buy a home in the neighborhood.
I spoke with a nuclear physicist who lives in the neighborhood. I also have a co-worker who is also a physicist and was once in charge of a nuclear reactor at his university.
There were over a quarter million soil samples taken from the area surrounding the core containment area. There was decades of testing by the EPA. It was a super fund site for decades.
Additionally the neighborhood is not built on the site. It is built outside of a perimeter, well over a mile and a half from the core area that was covered over with concrete where the soil still contains traces of plutonium.
As you pointed out plutonium is indeed in alpha emitter rather than gamma. It's also extremely heavy and oxidizes on contact with oxygen. It's not the kind of substance that's going to blow around. It will kill you if you inhale it or ingest it of course.
I have many photos of herds of elk in the refuge that surrounds the core site. It's not at all the wasteland that people make it out to be.
Additionally your first statement claiming that a single company sues people who want to do testing is completely incorrect and can't be backed up by any references. I live here and I happen to know that no single company developed the subdivision. It was purposefully set up by the government of Arvada as a zone and split amongst multiple developers. Additionally more testing has been done in the land around the refuge which the developers have no control over or legal standing. As to testing within the subdivision, the homeowners can test whatever they want in their yards with no permission from the developers. Like a lot of anti-nuclear misinformation it doesn't even make sense when you dig into it.
Additionally the fire never got to a point where it was going to hit Rocky flats. Rocky flats and the surrounding area were placed under a pre-evacuation order in the event that the wind shifted. I live here that's why I know this.
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#47I'm wondering if fire-prone areas should be zoned to require fireproof building. No more wood homes/roofs. Europe generally doesn't use wood home construction, so doesn't seem crazy
I’m not an expert in the matter, but I’ve heard that modern wood frames are just as good as steel frames. If the fire is close and strong enough to ignite a wood stud, the steel stud would already fail. Though would love input from an expert here.
The material you're more likely to use for a home if it's not wood is concrete or brick with some steel added. Concrete and brick are very fire resistant, which would make it much harder for a building to catch, and so harder for fire to spread if the building doesn't catch. The reason our homes in the US aren't brick (anymore) is it's a very expensive/specialized job, but wood framing is easy in comparison and wood is cheap here (and we have a lot of lumber mills to churn out small standardized pieces)
The inside would of course burn eventually if engulfed in a slow-moving fire with plenty of fuel, because things ignite when they get hot enough (or turn to charcoal if there's not enough oxygen). But if you're lucky the fire will move past quickly or run out of fuel, so every little advantage helps.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I meant imminent to the Rocky Flats area. Of course all the buildings were razed, but I would assume it wouldn't be a Good Thing for that place to also be on fire.
> I would assume it wouldn't be a Good Thing for that place to also be on fire. The radioactive stuff was all removed or well buried. I’m more worried about the large subdivision built on the site burning down.
Additionally the large subdivision was not built on the site but surrounding the perimeter to the site. The core site is off limits to anyone as a precaution to prevent anyone from tampering with the remediations or deliberately vandalizing them.
Surrounding the core site is a wildlife refuge that is fairly large. On the outside of this refuge is the subdivision.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not an expert in the matter, but I’ve heard that modern wood frames are just as good as steel frames. If the fire is close and strong enough to ignite a wood stud, the steel stud would already fail. Though would love input from an expert here.
Not an expert, but have done a lot of reading and some writing on wildfires, fire resistant structures, etc. I live on a hill that catches fire rather more often than I really enjoy and spend a lot of my spring cutting firebreaks. Any sort of structure, wood or not, will withstand a huge radiant flux of energy before catching fire. Well, well beyond what will crispy fry a human, the siding may be charred, but it won'…
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