> There are a huge variety of intra-organizational communication systems, to the point where pretty much every large enterprise provider seems to have one (Slack, Microsoft Teams, Discord, etc etc). That's why I find Delta Chat piggybacking on Push-IMAP such an interesting concept: https://delta.chat
A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
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Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#42I am very concerned how people here are stating how good, simple and reliable it is. They are not wrong but so is IPv4 and the C language. Sentiment has no place in a building a secure and proper future technology.
Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#43> Email is our only reliable communication method between different organizations. Actually, that’s snail mail.
Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would it suffice (tech aside for a moment!) if you could migrate your email adress with you from one provider to the next? Like for phone numbers (at least here you can migrate the whole number, even with ndc) The state could give out an emailadress like a social security number and you just use that as an alias and can choose whatever provider you want. And for these emailadresses the providers would be obliged to t…
You already can do that. Just buy a domain name, like mySSN.us. You are free to point it at any email provider of your choosing.
Also it's kind of technical. Perfect for a nerd like me, but e.g. for my mum? Nope!
Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the issue (as in the what ) is that people should always be able to have a fallback option for sending and receiving email that's not at the whim of Google, MS et al. SSN-xx-HERE@citizen.gov is a how , which may or may not be a good one. For one, here in France, the SSN isn't as important as it seems to be in the US, so its being public is probably less of an issue. This approach would still be bad for spam o…
edit to add I agree. the comment below is just how I think it would actually turn out. --- Avoiding the SSN issue, I think this still comes down to either forcing 3rd parties to host email accounts or gov hosting said email accounts. The former leads to "free" but not free email (like TurboTax) with the former or an outright loss in privacy with the latter.
There's of course the price issue, but that's the case in both situations (3rd party and gov hosting). Of course, at least in France, the government isn't known for always making the best choices cost-wise...
Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#46Email is our only reliable communication method between different organizations. I'm still of the opinion there should be public-option internet services. Everyone deserves an e-mail address that cannot be taken away from them without a court order.
Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#47Email is our only reliable communication method between different organizations. I'm still of the opinion there should be public-option internet services. Everyone deserves an e-mail address that cannot be taken away from them without a court order.
Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the issue is that since email is more and more required to interact with the Government services, they should also provide a usable alternative. Why have your citizens rely on random foreign services from which they may be cut off because a bot somewhere is having a bad day? In France at least, many people (mostly the elderly) are having a hard time using computers and such. Some Government agencies have dedi…
The post office ( La Poste) offer free emails, so there already is a non-foreign not-exactly-for-profit free email service out there. Plus all the ISPs also offer emails ( by default, you get an email with your plan, and on some ISPs you can't refuse it), but honestly that's just a terrible idea.
Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#49Well, in Estonia, they have a different approach. 1. If you are a citizen or a resident, you get an ID card to use for every public service. It's just a smart card with a government PKI. 2. The public services provide an email account that can only be used within the e-government services. The card is used for accessing those services. 3. The email service accepts either identity number or registry number of the reci…
Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet
#50The biggest blunder for me is that there were usable decentralized communication options before that were popular, but because of trying to monetize user's data FAANG started to tighten their grip on any decentralized solution, and I think they succeeded. They are already trying do to email the same thing they did to XMPP and RSS.
I’m not convinced that XMPP is actually such a great protocol. (I used it for many years.)
"perfect is the enemy of good"