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UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Post by josteink »

cdot2 wrote: post #29
zomglings wrote: post #20

My first reaction was, "This is fucking ridiculous!" But after looking at their complete jobs page, it seems like this requirement of being from one of the designated groups may be coming from the source which funds the Canada Research Chair? (see the PDF they link on their job description: https://academic.ubc.ca/sites/vpa.ubc.ca/files/documents/EDI... ) If so, then I don't really see a problem with it. It seems lik…

I think specifying the race of applicants for positions is bad

One might even call it … racism?

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Post by kazinator »

I wonder.

Can this position go to a person of East Asian descent?

So that is to say, in the geographical area of UBC, the demographics being what they are, does that count as a "racialized minority"?

Or, never mind that, how about in consideration of the existing high representation of that group in STEM fields?

If they mean "non-white OK", they should write that, otherwise someone of East Asian descent has no idea whether to bother applying.

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Post by focusgroup0 »

jollybean wrote: post #13

Asian Canadians are overwhelmingly the most over-represented group at UBC and due to this, minorities overall are hugely over-represented at UBC. So do Asians count as White? Minority? Where do the Authorities say today?

In 2021, Asians are not Asian, but rather White Adjacent

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Post by humanistbot »

In this thread: A bunch of people from the U.S. not realizing that employment laws and norms are quite different in Canada, where this kind of "employment equity" (or what is called "affirmative action" in the U.S.) is required, especially for public institutions.

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Post by FredPret »

littlestymaar wrote: post #15
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #2

Codified racism, plain and simple.

Not racism because it doesn't apply to race minorities only, but also disabilities, sexual orientations, or simply women (which aren't even a minority), but I can still understand that some might find it disturbing.

So it’s not only racist

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Post by causality0 »

steeleduncan wrote: post #30
causality0 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

> "Two-spirit" is a new one on me In that case, perhaps google it rather than make glib remarks about it?

Two Spirit is considered a contemporary, umbrella term that is specific to the Indigenous LGBT2QQIA (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, Two Spirit, queer, questioning, intersexual, asexual) community.

Frankly I'm not sure whether to laugh at the idea a gender identity can be limited to a specific ethnicity or to condemn it as inherently racist. This is entirely too meta.

Re: UBC bans non-minority candidates from applying for tenure-track quantum position

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Post by beaconstudios »

Again with the application of systemic change at the individual level. You hate to see it.

If I wanted to solve the problem (assuming it were perceived as such, due to males not getting the opportunity to be a nurse where they otherwise would want to) of nursing being predominantly a female profession, which option do I choose:

- investigate whether there are institutional (hiring bias, biased availability etc), cultural (nursing treated as "for girls"), or systemic (nursing careers primarily promoted in female-coded environments) reasons why males are seeing reduced opportunity to access nursing as a career

- just put up a sign saying "hiring male nurses", completely ignoring the raised concern about lack of opportunity to look good to a particular twisted perspective on systemic issues

It bothers me every time I see it. Even without the immorality of excluding people based on immutable features.

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Post by dragonwriter »

tomp wrote: post #36
Khaine wrote: post #6

How is this not discrimination of protected classes, and therefore illegal?

Edit: APPARENTLY NOT, SEE COMMENTS BELOW, VIDEO IS MISLEADINGLY CUT! Canadian government doesn't care about the legality of breaking human rights. Here is Trudeau saying: > "Regardless of the fact that we are attacking your fundamental rights or limiting your fundamental rights the charter says that is wrong, we’re still gonna go ahead and do it." https://twitter.com/apexworldnews/status/1473254056550449160

That's...wildly out of context.

Trudeau is criticizing the existence of the notwithstanding clause and it's invocation by the Quebec government to the effect that clip has him describing, not endorsing that behavior.

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/justin-trudeau-shares-father-s-d...

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