FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander
My only complaint with the moonlander is that you can't use the tenting at all if you have the thumb cluster tilted upwards.
Kinesis Advantage 360
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#42I wonder why they’re using Gateron switches rather than Cherry ones? Is it just about cutting costs, or is there a solid technical reason for using clones rather than the originals?
Gateron are in no way inferior to Cherry. They struggle with the knock-off branding but have made some pretty popular switches in the past 5 years.
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#43It's a shame they couldn't get hot-swapable switches to work [1]. I have an
ErgoDox with MX Browns which hasn't seen the light of day for a while. If I were to make a large outlay again on a keyboard I'd want to buy with the switches I now know I want or no switches and fit them myself. TBH I could take a soldering iron to my ErgoDox I just haven't had the motivation.
As an aside I've always wondered why the Katana60 [2] didn't have much interest as it seemed like a reasonable regular to full ergo in-between and IMHO more comfortable than something like a Planck. Though whilst I have tried the Plank I've not actually tried the Katana60 IRL. Looking forward to keyboard meetups again the post COVID future.
[1] https://twitter.com/kinesisergo/status/1470446358372896772
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#44I've been using a kenesis advantage for the last several years, and absolutely love it.
And I'm incredibly excited about this, mostly
Hits: - Split design - multiple bluetooth pairings/wireless connection
Misses: - No function keys?
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#45Is it just me, or does it look like another ergodox clone/fork? I mean, I'm happy. I hope this would make the split layout even more common place.
The Kinesis "contoured" design with thumb clusters is almost 30 years old, and itself was a clone of the Maltron design - so I think it's accurate to describe the Ergodox as a clone of the Kinesis.
> so I think it's accurate to describe the Ergodox as a clone of the Kinesis.
Seems to me like the Ergo almost exactly cloned the thumb cluster, and the Kinesis 360 almost exactly cloned the Ergo split design. They are clearly both drawing inspiration from each other, and there isn't one "clone"
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#46Kinesis Advantage keyboards saved my career. I had bad carpal tunnel syndrome. I tried evening out there. This is the only thing that remotely worked.
I'll second that. I've owned two of these keyboards (one for work, one for home) for 16 years and they are still going strong. Nothing else really worked for me. They've taken me through 3 employers now.
It does take some getting used to, but once you've made the transition, you won't want to go back. You'll type faster, with almost no strain, and more accurately.
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#47Base version gets PBT keycaps (yesss!) and Pro gets ABS (buuuh) Sadly not a typo. Hopefully the PBT set is available separately or (pretty please) PMK will make a custom run of the Ice-Cap.
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#48Interested in this. I like my Ergodox EZ but I wish its maximum tenting was a little more. I also really want to try the nonflat key arrangement.
However, labeled keys and unique key shapes seems like a weird combination. Especially with Enter and Space on the same side.
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#49I cannot fathom why the Kinesis keyboards don't have thumb shift by default. At least it's customizable.
Thumb shift keys are definitely an (incremental) improvement over the traditional placement, but they require a yet bigger commitment to retraining from the standard keyboard layout. I've been using Kinesis keyboards for 25 years, and finally this year committed to moving the shifts to the thumbs. This was worthwhile for me, but I hesitate to recommend the, ahem, shift to others.
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#50Sadly, no dedicated F-row. I would even settle for a subset of keys that aligned with the columns. I do not consider layers an adequate replacement. Happy to see they are moving away from their own software configuration. Not a fan of the software interface on the Freestyle Pro. More than once I have gotten myself into a loop where I am unsure which function mode is activated and how to switch back to what I want. I…
Agreed. I think the lack of dedicated F-row is a dealbreaker for me, as I use the media control keys pretty often