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Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#41
I read a quote once, paraphrasing:

> geek will figure out cars before car people figure out computers

Between this and similar issues (e.g. Porsche / BMW charging subscription to their updating map data), it’s clear how true that quote was.

Not only are they massively losing to Tesla, they don’t even know they’re losing, or why. This is what you get when you hire MBAs and consultants.

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#42
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was posted here sometime ago: The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please." He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you." "I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you boug…

Reminds me of "drink a verification can" greentext https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/1ggg4u/please_drink_...

We can do better than a link to a Reddit thread with a screenshot of some text. I found this on GameFAQs slightly modified from the original and posted the day after, on 2013-06-16.

  -2018
  -wake up feeling sick after a late night of playing vidya
  -excited to play some halo 2k19
  -"xbox on"
  -...
  -"XBOX ON"
  -"Please verify that you are "annon332" by saying "Doritos™ Dew™ it right!"
  -"Doritos™ Dew™ it right"
  -"ERROR! Please drink a verification can"
  -reach into my Doritos™ Mountain Dew™ Halo 2k19™ War Chest
  -only a few cans left, needed to verify 14 times last night
  -still feeling sick from the 14
  -force it down and grumble out "mmmm that really hit the spot"
  -xbox does nothing
  -i attempt to smile
  -"Connecting to verification server"
  -...
  -"Verification complete!"
  -finally
  -boot up halo 2k19
  -finding multiplayer match...
  -"ERROR! User attempting to steal online gameplay!"
  -my mother just walked in the room
  -"Adding another user to your pass, this will be charged to your credit card. Do you accept?"
  -"NO!"
  -"Console entering lock state!"
  -"to unlock drink verification can"
  -last can
  -"WARNING, OUT OF VERIFICATION CANS, an order has been shipped and charged to your credit card"
  -drink half the can, oh god im going to be sick
  -pour the last half out the window
  -"PIRACY DETECTED! PLEASE COMPLETE THIS ADVERTISEMENT TO CONTINUE"
  -the mountain dew ad plays
  -i have to dance for it
  -feeling so sick
  -makes me sing along
  -dancing and singing
  -"mountain dew is for me and you"
  -throw up on my self
  -throw up on my tv and entertainment system
  -router shorts
  -"ERROR NO CONNECTION! XBOX SHUTTING OFF"
  -"PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN TO CONTINUE"

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#43
post #24
post #6

That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…

You're right to point out that these problems arise across entire industries. You can't vote with your money if all otherwise good TVs have crap built into them. And it's not easy for a new entrant to gain a foothold in such a high-tech market. And even if they do, there's plenty of temptation to go down the same route of milking customers who already bought your product. Sooner or later, we won't even remember how i…

The topic with the TVs is going to be a problem for me in a few years. My current TV is from 2013 - it may have some years to go, but at some point, it will fail.

I've had a short look at the market, and all the "good" brands (Samsung, LG, Sony) show horrific ads. It looks like the cheap brands simply sell your data. Then there are some local brands, which sell non-TV TV's (no tuner, there's a tax on that). They don't have any smarts at all, but the one I've seen had terrible picture quality

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#44
post #32
post #8

was posted here sometime ago: The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please." He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you." "I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you boug…

Similar: Libertarian Police Department https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari...

Also, Private Police by Fry and Laurie

https://youtu.be/vLfghLQE3F4

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#45
post #18

Sigh... While I look forward to having an electric car someday, the trend in new cars does not look promising. Far too many instances of car companies having too much control, because of the advent of internet-connected vehicles. Is there a solution to this? I don't know. Especially because I can see legislation cementing these sorts of practices in very much convoluted ways. One can only hope competing car brands em…

The idea that a car would automatically download an update that changes how something on the car works is insanity. I'm not buying a car with that "feature."

That ship is departing as we speak [1] - that article was from 3 years ago. I'm sure it's worse now.

BMW was definitely ahead of it's time charging a service fee for enabling AndroidAuto/CarPlay (among other car features).

https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-technology/automa...

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#46
post #35
post #6

That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…

If the Apple Car actually materializes, I fear this will become the new standard. All cars come with all bells and whistles, but you have to pay monthly fees in order for them to function. - Want heated seats? $1/month - Want remote lock/unlock? $2/month - Want to remove rate limiting? $5/month - Want GPS in your car? $10/month - Want to use your "frunk"? $10/month - Want Apple CarPlay? $15/month - Want to activate h…

So like Tesla with FSD, though not monthly(yet)

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#47
post #22
post #6

That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…

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It is as much capitalism as usury is interest: a false version.

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#48
post #35
post #6

That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…

If the Apple Car actually materializes, I fear this will become the new standard. All cars come with all bells and whistles, but you have to pay monthly fees in order for them to function. - Want heated seats? $1/month - Want remote lock/unlock? $2/month - Want to remove rate limiting? $5/month - Want GPS in your car? $10/month - Want to use your "frunk"? $10/month - Want Apple CarPlay? $15/month - Want to activate h…

> Want to update your car's computer? $199 per update

$210 after shipping for navigation updates in a GM vehicle. Welcome to the future!

https://gmnavdisc.navigation.com/product/Catalog/Catalog_Che...

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#49
post #35
post #6

That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…

If the Apple Car actually materializes, I fear this will become the new standard. All cars come with all bells and whistles, but you have to pay monthly fees in order for them to function. - Want heated seats? $1/month - Want remote lock/unlock? $2/month - Want to remove rate limiting? $5/month - Want GPS in your car? $10/month - Want to use your "frunk"? $10/month - Want Apple CarPlay? $15/month - Want to activate h…

What monthly fees of this nature are required to use other Apple products?

OS updates are free. The basic version of iCloud is free. "Find My iPhone" is free. Apple Maps is free. The App Store is free. Hell, CarPlay is free on the Apple end of things; it's some car manufacturers who've been charging for it.

"Public will buy into it because the cost of the car is significantly less than their competition."

Are we talking about a different Apple entirely?

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

#50

Sigh... While I look forward to having an electric car someday, the trend in new cars does not look promising. Far too many instances of car companies having too much control, because of the advent of internet-connected vehicles. Is there a solution to this? I don't know. Especially because I can see legislation cementing these sorts of practices in very much convoluted ways. One can only hope competing car brands em…

There are many electric cars on the market that are just plain "old" cars: hyundai ioniq, renault zoe, peugeot e-208, etc... No subscription and they work quite well.
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