YouTube had censored North Korean defector Yeonmi Park • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube had censored North Korean defector Yeonmi Park

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Post by tablespoon » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

EarthIsHome wrote: post #26

Hakim did a very good short introduction [0] on defectors in general and how this term is used in our media. In the video, he also briefly brings up Yeonmi Pak's story and how it's changed over time as well as the conflicts of interest of speaking income. The video is more about defectors in general and how defectors are portrayed and presented to us, so he doesn't spend a lot of time on Yeonmi Pak's story. [0]: http…

> Hakim did a very good short introduction [0]

Who is this Hakim, why is he credible, and why should I listen to him?

A brief Googling gives me the impression he's a patreon-funded social media personality with a rather far-out ideology ("Just your friendly neighborhood Marxist"), and frankly that doesn't inspire confidence. IMHO, people like that are usually "stopped-clocks" at best (as in the expression about being occasionally correct but too unreliable to be trusted).

Re: YouTube had censored North Korean defector Yeonmi Park

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Post by tablespoon » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 6:07 PM UTC

good8675309 wrote: post #29

Pinegulf wrote: post #7

If this is true: anyone got alternative apps to YT on android? Voting with my wallet.

People often say Odysee is a good alternative but it was acquired by Google so it has the same issue as Youtube. Then there is Rumble but it's a much poorer experience and somewhat of an echo chamber but that seems to be changing as a more diverse group of non-political creators move over there.

> People often say Odysee is a good alternative but it was acquired by Google so it has the same issue as Youtube.

IIRC, Odysee is a somewhat curated interface to some kind of blockchain that can't be censored. So I'm guessing that even if a video is taken down from it, it may still actually be accessible at the lower layer.

IMHO, some kind of active moderation is absolutely required for video/images, given the very real possibility for immoral and illegal content that I absolutely do not want to stumble upon. So Odysee strikes me as about the most permissive tradeoff that can be tolerated.

Re: YouTube had censored North Korean defector Yeonmi Park

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Post by hagbard_c » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 7:19 PM UTC

EarthIsHome wrote: post #26

Hakim did a very good short introduction [0] on defectors in general and how this term is used in our media. In the video, he also briefly brings up Yeonmi Pak's story and how it's changed over time as well as the conflicts of interest of speaking income. The video is more about defectors in general and how defectors are portrayed and presented to us, so he doesn't spend a lot of time on Yeonmi Pak's story. [0]: http…

Self-proclaimed Marxist Hakim denounces escapee from Marxist-inspired hellhole. OK, that is like an imam denouncing an apostate for his apostasy in that it would be more surprising if he did not denounce that person.

Some source criticism goes a long way to make Hakim an unreliable source for statements on Yeonmi Park. She will have enough problems getting used to the idiosyncrasies of the current self-hating western society without more attacks from those who follow the ideology she escaped from.

Re: YouTube had censored North Korean defector Yeonmi Park

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Post by rory » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 7:21 PM UTC

cdirkx wrote: post #36

rory wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's still listed on her channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/YeonmiParkOfficial/videos . I'm curious what "visibility: unlisted" means. Would it show up in the feed of a subscriber?

Unlisted means (I believe) that a video won't show up in search or in a feed or on the creators page. You can only watch the video if you have a direct link.

So if I see it on her creator page does that mean it's been un-unlisted then?

Re: YouTube had censored North Korean defector Yeonmi Park

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Post by assbuttbuttass » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

EarthIsHome wrote: post #26

Hakim did a very good short introduction [0] on defectors in general and how this term is used in our media. In the video, he also briefly brings up Yeonmi Pak's story and how it's changed over time as well as the conflicts of interest of speaking income. The video is more about defectors in general and how defectors are portrayed and presented to us, so he doesn't spend a lot of time on Yeonmi Pak's story. [0]: http…

Hakim is great! His videos are always very well researched, and his reading lists are top-tier