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Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

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Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

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Post by carabiner »

m0llusk wrote: post #37
ghshephard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read this paragraph a couple times - and what I find intriguing is how it's the sort of thing that GPT-3 can write based on the initial news statement. Every sentence in it is somewhat tautological. Maybe I'm just more suspicious, but I can envision a time (uh, maybe it's already here?) when forums like HN start to get peppered with AI commentary... This sentence, though - seems to be without any basis: "Current…

Carbon fiber airframes are new and have displayed unanticipated failures. Maybe they should have had more testing or more should have gone into reliable inspection and repair. We as a society may come to appreciate demonstrated robustness as much as novelty and efficiency.

What's 2 + 2?

Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

#42

Post by kabdib »

mirekrusin wrote: post #3
m0llusk wrote: post #2

Arguably this is a much greater problem than it at first appears because it exposes a serious and fundamental problem with our materials development processes. Currently development of new products is going faster than we can understand the qualities and limitations of those products. How exactly this happened and what is the best response is not clear. Because of how these materials are made a failure of the exterio…

Also if they didn't bother to test such relatively straight forward thing as paint for those conditions, what kind of confidence can one have that other parts have passed those kind of tests?

Go read Bruce Sterling's 1993 article on something relatively straight forward, like glue: https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/comments/3zode9/bruce_sterling_...

I've done a bit more reading about paint; if anything, it's even more complicated than glue (bigger design space, for one thing: https://www.essentialchemicalindustry.org/materials-and-appl... )

Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

#43

Post by bityard »

m0llusk wrote: post #37
ghshephard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read this paragraph a couple times - and what I find intriguing is how it's the sort of thing that GPT-3 can write based on the initial news statement. Every sentence in it is somewhat tautological. Maybe I'm just more suspicious, but I can envision a time (uh, maybe it's already here?) when forums like HN start to get peppered with AI commentary... This sentence, though - seems to be without any basis: "Current…

Carbon fiber airframes are new and have displayed unanticipated failures. Maybe they should have had more testing or more should have gone into reliable inspection and repair. We as a society may come to appreciate demonstrated robustness as much as novelty and efficiency.

> Maybe they should have had more testing or more should have gone into reliable inspection and repair.

Hindsight is so very easy to deploy from the comfort of the HN comments section.

If everyone was this pessimistic, nobody would ever get things out of the R&D lab and into the real world.

Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

#44

Post by xwdv »

ghshephard wrote: post #11
m0llusk wrote: post #2

Arguably this is a much greater problem than it at first appears because it exposes a serious and fundamental problem with our materials development processes. Currently development of new products is going faster than we can understand the qualities and limitations of those products. How exactly this happened and what is the best response is not clear. Because of how these materials are made a failure of the exterio…

I've read this paragraph a couple times - and what I find intriguing is how it's the sort of thing that GPT-3 can write based on the initial news statement. Every sentence in it is somewhat tautological. Maybe I'm just more suspicious, but I can envision a time (uh, maybe it's already here?) when forums like HN start to get peppered with AI commentary... This sentence, though - seems to be without any basis: "Current…

I wasted time reading a paragraph by an AI? That comment should be downvoted, as should any AI generated comments.

Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

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Post by erect_mom »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #9
m0llusk wrote: post #2

Arguably this is a much greater problem than it at first appears because it exposes a serious and fundamental problem with our materials development processes. Currently development of new products is going faster than we can understand the qualities and limitations of those products. How exactly this happened and what is the best response is not clear. Because of how these materials are made a failure of the exterio…

> Arguably this is a much greater problem than it at first appears You can make the argument. Doesn't mean its true or has any relevance.

on the contrary, it absolutely makes it true and relevant.

Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

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Post by erect_mom »

Bayart wrote: post #26
1cvmask wrote: post #5

It seems that victim blaming is not something specific to just Boeing. Airbus blamed Qatar airways and the hot weather till similar issues emerged with planes of Finn Air and Air France in colder climates. Whatever happened to the customer is always right? Guess it is easier to victim blame when you operate in essence a duopoly. Competition is critical to solve these issues in the long run.

>Whatever happened to the customer is always right? That never made it to Europe to begin with.

could you expand in this point?

Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

#47

Post by hinkley »

SmellTheGlove wrote: post #18
ghshephard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read this paragraph a couple times - and what I find intriguing is how it's the sort of thing that GPT-3 can write based on the initial news statement. Every sentence in it is somewhat tautological. Maybe I'm just more suspicious, but I can envision a time (uh, maybe it's already here?) when forums like HN start to get peppered with AI commentary... This sentence, though - seems to be without any basis: "Current…

Funny, I had a similar reaction. The wording is just strange. Like on Reddit when bots are trying to create fud.

I'm having "MongoDB is webscale" flashbacks.

Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

#48

Post by mixedCase »

carabiner wrote: post #41
m0llusk wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbon fiber airframes are new and have displayed unanticipated failures. Maybe they should have had more testing or more should have gone into reliable inspection and repair. We as a society may come to appreciate demonstrated robustness as much as novelty and efficiency.

What's 2 + 2?

GPT-3 can do some kinds of basic arithmetic. Specially so memetic calculations (if that's a thing) like 2+2.

Re: Costly Airbus paint flaw goes wider than the Gulf

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Post by hulitu »

ghshephard wrote: post #11
m0llusk wrote: post #2

Arguably this is a much greater problem than it at first appears because it exposes a serious and fundamental problem with our materials development processes. Currently development of new products is going faster than we can understand the qualities and limitations of those products. How exactly this happened and what is the best response is not clear. Because of how these materials are made a failure of the exterio…

I've read this paragraph a couple times - and what I find intriguing is how it's the sort of thing that GPT-3 can write based on the initial news statement. Every sentence in it is somewhat tautological. Maybe I'm just more suspicious, but I can envision a time (uh, maybe it's already here?) when forums like HN start to get peppered with AI commentary... This sentence, though - seems to be without any basis: "Current…

You forgot quality tailoring. See Boeing for examples.
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