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What Is Web3? Should You Care?

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Re: What Is Web3? Should You Care?

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Post by guilhas »

UncleMeat wrote: post #37
guilhas wrote: post #33

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I was just making an example that like an YT video, an NFT has value for content creators and can be the future of internet Couldn't care less what happens to YouTube, hope something better comes along The trend with this blockchain technologies is that single companies will have less power and control so they probably won't like it much, or will look for workarounds But whatever happens for web3 probably most will h…

But that is the key question. Why would something else come along? You need backend resources for transcoding and serving. You need a search system. You need an ad system. And if you get big you need a copyright management system.

Alternatives come along everyday for varied reasons

https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube/

Progress just happens now and then, newer people comes to the ecosystem and change things to their liking. And in this case the blockchain invention is to big and disruptive to be ignored

Someone is working on a blockchain related system for all the things you said

And probably in the future no one will trust a company without some sort of auditable public blockchain ledger

Re: What Is Web3? Should You Care?

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Post by guilhas »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #36
guilhas wrote: post #9

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Just being completely random imagine the internet is now the multiverse. And everything publish on it is an NFT, posts, videos, images, comments. Like the current internet but everything has a value. Creating a comment on StackOverflow could get you paid instead of just reputation The NFT concept seems stupid at first, and a 60 million NFT is definitely stupid. But imagine Youtube is the metaverse where videos, or NF…

I think this is the exact opposite direction I would like to see things go. We need to remove profit incentives to encourage more free thought. If we have profit incentives in everything, we will see optimization for profits at the expense of everything else, including quality of information.

Completely agree, but you see this is like a 5 billion people driving a non stopping train, and it will go somewhere weather we like it or not, we can only help make it better

I don't like SPA, Electron, JavaScript in general, but the internet doesn't care

More on your comment, I can see what you say, someone not making a political controversial comment because it would mean losing money. But if we look at YouTube again, actually not every video is worth money, there is a lot of creativity and controversy still, more than before it

Every system is not perfect, and at the moment, by being, free a lot of people are not creating, or commenting or dev blog-posting, because they are not get paid for it, and they need to survive, so they have to invest their time on the 9to5, and after are to tired to investigate how can I profit by telling everyone "how did I do X interesting thing project"

Open source will probably see a bigger influx of money, there will be less friction to value people time

Like the time I just spent writing these comments for free!

Re: What Is Web3? Should You Care?

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Post by guilhas »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #24
guilhas wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just being completely random imagine the internet is now the multiverse. And everything publish on it is an NFT, posts, videos, images, comments. Like the current internet but everything has a value. Creating a comment on StackOverflow could get you paid instead of just reputation The NFT concept seems stupid at first, and a 60 million NFT is definitely stupid. But imagine Youtube is the metaverse where videos, or NF…

did you get involved in bitclout? it approaches decentralized social media from this “monetize everything” angle, with one click to mint NFTs from any post. I actually like the micro-tipping and fundraising potential, but honestly the drama just gets cranked up to 11 once people’s financial solvency is tied to randos’ reputations. i’m of the opinion that everything monetization touches dies, tho i’m sure META will be…

No

I agree with that, when there is money involved things can get poisoned very quickly, but we can develop better reputation systems. And people have jobs, this would be making it easier to earn while enjoying free time. People have been fight the internet advertising economic model for awhile. So there is some monetization dependency already. And we will have to decide where it will pivot next

We can't forget forget creativity, intrinsic value and allow dissent. But like I say above not everything will have to be valued, there is separation, you can put content into IPFS without emitting NFTs

I think blockchain technology promotes less lock-in, not more. Probably several METAs will appear competing with each other, we just have to choose the one that promotes more freedom and interoperability

Re: What Is Web3? Should You Care?

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Post by UncleMeat »

guilhas wrote: post #41
UncleMeat wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that is the key question. Why would something else come along? You need backend resources for transcoding and serving. You need a search system. You need an ad system. And if you get big you need a copyright management system.

Alternatives come along everyday for varied reasons https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube/ Progress just happens now and then, newer people comes to the ecosystem and change things to their liking. And in this case the blockchain invention is to big and disruptive to be ignored Someone is working on a blockchain related system for all the things you said And probably in the future no one will trust a company wit…

> Alternatives come along everyday for varied reasons

But they don't stick. Simply being an alternative is not sufficient to make a service better and very few people care about the fundamental difference between youtube and some website that serves videos that are IPFS references.

> And probably in the future no one will trust a company without some sort of auditable public blockchain ledger

Why? What undesirable action would youtube take that is prevented by having them reference a blockchain such that you now trust them? The core things that people don't like about youtube are

1. Making videos and channels unavailable on youtube.com

2. The recommendation algorithm

3. Google remembering your browsing history and later serving you ads based on their profile of your interests

All of those still exist even if all of the videos are instead IPFS references.

Re: What Is Web3? Should You Care?

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Post by tomByrer »

8note wrote: post #26
dwaite wrote: post #21

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There has never been a web problem with people being published. Run your own website. What you are talking about is how large companies are not willing to amplify those voices. Web3 so far has not been about new forms of publishing _or_ amplification nearly as much as it has been about owning generated cat drawings. I don't think it is meant to solve this problem. There's also the question of whether uncontrolled and…

I'd rephrase amplification as discovery. As a consumer of publications, I am limited by the centralization of discovery mechanisms, to only see what big companies want to show me. It becomes a bigger problem when they choose to show different people disjoint information. Eg. Somebody could plan and attempt a coup without me hearing about it till after the fact, even though they conspired quite openly

Yes 8note, exactly.

Can't really "Run your own website" without filtering out the unsafe hosts. If you don't march to the beat of the drum, then Google, AWS, GoDaddy, MicroSoft, likely CloudFlare, IBM, etc will shut you down with little to no notice. & they're big enough to pressure others to do the same.

Thus, an underground web is needed for actual discourse.

Re: What Is Web3? Should You Care?

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Post by guilhas »

UncleMeat wrote: post #45
guilhas wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatives come along everyday for varied reasons https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube/ Progress just happens now and then, newer people comes to the ecosystem and change things to their liking. And in this case the blockchain invention is to big and disruptive to be ignored Someone is working on a blockchain related system for all the things you said And probably in the future no one will trust a company wit…

> Alternatives come along everyday for varied reasons But they don't stick. Simply being an alternative is not sufficient to make a service better and very few people care about the fundamental difference between youtube and some website that serves videos that are IPFS references. > And probably in the future no one will trust a company without some sort of auditable public blockchain ledger Why? What undesirable ac…

Don't know why you so focused about YT. I was just exemplifying how the NFT could be the future of internet by comparing to YT video ecosystem. Not specifically on the future of YT. If anything it was a compliment. But if it improves or is replaced, don't care

> But they don't stick. Simply being an alternative is not sufficient

Tiktok clearly overtook a part o YT for younger people. And some big youtubers already double publish in other platforms

> Why? What undesirable action would youtube take that is prevented by having them reference a blockchain such that you now trust them?

Imagine a new video service appears that hosts the video normally, without IPFS etc, but tracks the user views/likes/dislikes in a public blockchain

Now there is someone with 1 million to invest in adverts. Will they do it on a platform where can validate the actual numbers, or trust YT word?

Not even sure if feasible, everything at the moment is hypothetical. But it will come

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