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Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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The USA should make it illegal to kowtow to China like this. The details of how this law could be structured can be debated, but there has to be a way. Let companies choose between having US and Chinese business instead of always taking the easy way out.

I don't think the constitution would allow it. Kowtowing is an expression of something so I would guess it's covered by the 1st amendment.

Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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This will continue to happen until the US government backs not bending to foreign actors, as it did with the ridiculous "Interview" movie.

The US handled it well: the govt stood behind theaters who might have otherwise stopped screenings, and local police were outside theaters. Was it worth it for the entertainment? No. It was worth it for a political message.

Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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More evidence that China's arm reaches quite far, including inside the West. Because China is willing to play dirty. If they hosted it, they would see Marriot executives arrested for "corruption", or Marriot hotels closed for "environmental damage" or similar things, like how they arrested two innocent Canadians as retaliation for the Canadian arrest of the Huawei executive. This is why Nike, NBA, Hollywood, ... bow…

I'm not a fan of China myself, but there's some evidence[1] that the two Canadians arrested were, in fact, spies. Personally, I'm not sure what to think. But tweets like this from CSIS[2] are certainly suggestive when viewed in a certain light. [1] https://canadianpatriot.org/2021/09/29/michael-kovrig-and-sp... [2] https://twitter.com/csiscanada/status/1441576564374769665

Oh come on. It's amazing how a pro-communist editorial has to so thoroughly twist itself up in knots to support the CCP narrative (which it simply regurgitates whole), that it ends up painting a lefty liberal group like the ICG as a sinister imperialist front. It even manages to paint these guy's pro-North Korean activities and promotion of a positive image of NK as somehow evidence of their Imperialist agenda. One of them posting photos of North Korean propaganda parades is painted as "photographing military personnel". If it wasn't deeply sad, it would be hilarious.

Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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More evidence that China's arm reaches quite far, including inside the West. Because China is willing to play dirty. If they hosted it, they would see Marriot executives arrested for "corruption", or Marriot hotels closed for "environmental damage" or similar things, like how they arrested two innocent Canadians as retaliation for the Canadian arrest of the Huawei executive. This is why Nike, NBA, Hollywood, ... bow…

I understand how China is an important growth market for the NBA, but I don't think the NBA would be crushed in the US without China.

Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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Actively refusing is the least passive/neutral thing they could have done. Now they’ve obligated themselves (morally) to refuse Chinese political meeting bookings as well, but we won’t see that happen Opinion: Due to Chinese human rights abuses AND the threats against American business, the US should not attend the upcoming Beijing Olympics

Given the issues with the Olympics in general no one should attend.

I believe there are new calls to boycott because of Peng Shuai's disappearance. It seems so strange to me that this is such a mystery. Can't reporters go to her home and ring the bell?

Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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Marriott decided to avoid poking the bear by stepping on the proverbial mouse. From a business perspective, it makes perfect sense, but moralistically, it does not. It is very disappointing that even I, as an Asian individual living in Canada, am disincentivized from expressing even my own opinion on China and HK/Taiwan, etc. due to the perceived threat of "consequences" from a government whose reach I cannot easily…

The management of this Marriot Hotel did yes, but it's encouraging that Marriot's corporate management immediately overruled the Hotel on this and apologised to the group. Marriot do have a spotty history on such issues, but I think we should commend them when they attempt to do the right thing. Yes this shouldn't have happened in the first place, but given that it did they do seem to be doing their best to make it r…

Side note for those who don't know: most Marriott properties are Marriott-managed, not Marriott-owned.

It usually doesn't matter, but on policy questions there can sometimes be some friction between owner preferences & Marriott corporate preferences.

Usually this is over things like "Your food and service isn't up to Marriott quality, because you're under investing." But I imagine politics is also a sensitive point too. Regardless, Marriott corporate usually wins, as a hotel-without-the-Marriott-name prints less money.

Edit: Although in this instance, from the scarce details, it sounds like it was divergence from corporate policy by local management. Which, if you're putting management teams in ~7,900 properties, is probably a thing that happens.

Basic summary: https://marketrealist.com/2014/10/why-marriotts-hotels-have-...

Marriott Intl page for franchisees: https://hotel-development.marriott.com/

Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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post #20

Marriott decided to avoid poking the bear by stepping on the proverbial mouse. From a business perspective, it makes perfect sense, but moralistically, it does not. It is very disappointing that even I, as an Asian individual living in Canada, am disincentivized from expressing even my own opinion on China and HK/Taiwan, etc. due to the perceived threat of "consequences" from a government whose reach I cannot easily…

The management of this Marriot Hotel did yes, but it's encouraging that Marriot's corporate management immediately overruled the Hotel on this and apologised to the group. Marriot do have a spotty history on such issues, but I think we should commend them when they attempt to do the right thing. Yes this shouldn't have happened in the first place, but given that it did they do seem to be doing their best to make it r…

Maybe I'm too pessimistic but at first I only see a big corporation (with an history) putting the blame on the local management.

Maybe it's due to my bad English, but I'm not able to find any sign of actual "overrule" of this decision. Is the WUC was finally accepted at this Hotel?

Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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More evidence that China's arm reaches quite far, including inside the West. Because China is willing to play dirty. If they hosted it, they would see Marriot executives arrested for "corruption", or Marriot hotels closed for "environmental damage" or similar things, like how they arrested two innocent Canadians as retaliation for the Canadian arrest of the Huawei executive. This is why Nike, NBA, Hollywood, ... bow…

I understand how China is an important growth market for the NBA, but I don't think the NBA would be crushed in the US without China.

Plenty of companies could survive without China. They just don't want to part with China's money/market/cheap labor.

Re: Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “political neutrality”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Opinion: Due to Chinese human rights abuses AND the threats against American business, the US should not attend the upcoming Beijing Olympics In a vacuum, I fully agree with protesting China to the fullest extent; however, if scientists are to be believed, these things (human rights, trade, etc violations) trifle in comparison to the climate change threat, and China has all of humanity by the throat here. We need a…

Am I to understand that you think we need to turn a blind eye to the bad things that China is doing to their own people so that we have a chance of convincing them to stop doing bad things to the rest of the world?

Not quite. The idea is that climate change poses an existential threat to human civilization as we know it. As bad as China's human rights abuses are, they pale in comparison to its climate abuses. If you have ideas for compelling China to reduce its emissions to meet targets while also holding them accountable for their various other violations, I'm all ears.
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