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If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Is it me or HN just upvotes any article critical of Apple without much thought? At times it feels like I'm on Reddit

FWIW, I really want Apple to fix this. I used to be a huge fan, yet now I use no Apple products at all. It's pretty damning when MacWorld says "It’s happened to pretty much any Apple device user: You go to use a feature and it just doesn’t work."

So I personally like the negative exposure. I really hope it lights a fire under Apple.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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It’s interesting to witness basic things that don’t work well on Macs due to software issues:

- I have a Logitech trackball mouse and occasionally it’s unresponsive. On Ubuntu and windows no issue. I checked several places and it’s a known issue

- MST doesn’t work. Works on literally every other operating system. This isn’t a big deal until you want dual monitors with a single cable without daisy chaining the monitors, e.g using a thunderbolt dock

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

Yeah that sucks, but on OSX side I have to restart my computer every week or so because of forced updates. Restarting really is a big deal for me as my workspace consists of several dozen open windows, some of them I have to login, navigate to a particular place, etc... also you lose your train of thought. It has gotten that bad for me, that I have to take screenshots before restarting every time, so I don't lose tra…

MacOS Monterey added an option to disable automatic updates. It's been the biggest annoyance for years, now it's just a checkbox in settings.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

Definitely not defending windows here, but don't you find that macs come with bloatware as well? Safari, apple music, maps, etc - some of which you cannot uninstall as well.

Sure, but Win 10/11 have had stuff like candy crush and other 3rd party apps installed by default for a bit. MacOS only has 1st party bloat, which may be a big difference for some.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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One important thing not mentioned here: Apple should make sure to keep up Safari Development. It's by far the worst browser available and the web platform is only growing.

Care to elaborate?

Safari is famously behind on supporting PWAs, most notably their implementation is missing web push notifications.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

In reality, you just don't realise how much bloatware osx has. Install a firewall and watch as studentd or 100 other services you never use contacts apple. Edit: List of most recent and trying not to include things that may be useful to me syncdefaultsd, nsurlsessiond, apsd, cloudd, transparencyd, mapspushd, cloudphotod, akd, parsec-fbf, appstoreagent, AddressBookSourceSync, com.apple.iCloudHelper.xpc, familycircled,…

But that's 1st party vs. 3rd party, big difference!

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

Sounds like your PC vendor installed a whole bunch of crap. I put W10 on a fresh PC just a couple of months back and it was a painless process. It was a W10 Pro ISO from Microsoft.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

Definitely not defending windows here, but don't you find that macs come with bloatware as well? Safari, apple music, maps, etc - some of which you cannot uninstall as well.

The difference is that none of that stuff is running in the background when you aren't using it. Maps doesn't take up a global menu slot. Apple Music doesn't open unless you explicitly open it (unless you happen to hit an Apple Music URL on the web). You can ignore it and it doesn't bother you. Whereas on Windows, bloatware tends to add a Start menu icon, tray icon, background process, startup item, etc.

And Apple's built-in apps aren't harmful, they're just unnecessary. In the early 2000s, my parents got me a Mac that came with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2. :-)

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Yeah that sucks, but on OSX side I have to restart my computer every week or so because of forced updates. Restarting really is a big deal for me as my workspace consists of several dozen open windows, some of them I have to login, navigate to a particular place, etc... also you lose your train of thought. It has gotten that bad for me, that I have to take screenshots before restarting every time, so I don't lose tra…

MacOS Monterey added an option to disable automatic updates. It's been the biggest annoyance for years, now it's just a checkbox in settings.

Thank you, I didn't know that. That's actually a big incentive for me to update.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

Yeah that sucks, but on OSX side I have to restart my computer every week or so because of forced updates. Restarting really is a big deal for me as my workspace consists of several dozen open windows, some of them I have to login, navigate to a particular place, etc... also you lose your train of thought. It has gotten that bad for me, that I have to take screenshots before restarting every time, so I don't lose tra…

Of course its better to have a system which will not install the updates automatically and will just be stuck at restart (windows 10 wink).

If i disable apple updates on a macbook, it will show the notification but will never update without my permission, good luck doing that on windows.

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