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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by btown »

jd115 wrote: post #18

While this is a trend across the board since the pandemic, for Facebook it is particularly troublesome because it's deeper rooted than at other companies. On an almost daily basis it is becoming more and more public knowledge that Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Young peo…

I imagine many FB employees also envisioned themselves working their way to levels of seniority where they could nudge policy and practices towards the better (however they might define that). After all, one might have said, there’s no other place where an individual’s career in tech can have greater impact on so many people’s lives.

Now, seeing how even senior people on dedicated integrity teams had little ability to steer the ship, and being constantly reminded of this by friends outside FB even if it had previously been whispered internally, must be sobering for many of these folks.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by woodruffw »

gfosco wrote: post #36
woodruffw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I think it’s probably appropriate to disclose that you’re the CTO of a reactionary social media competitor when you make a post like this.

Sure. I also worked at Facebook for 7.5 years first, and witnessed this performative cancer growing in real-time.

I’m not any particular fan of Facebook, but to run with the cancer analogy: normally a cancer consumes and destroys its host. To the best of my knowledge, Facebook’s market valuation has basically only gone up for the last decade. The only (and very recent) bumps for then have been privacy related, which are closer to the core business than to any diversity initiatives they might have. So where, exactly, is the cancer?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by civilized »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #20
ashleyn wrote: post #2

This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

> forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference Are engineers really the ones driving at the company? I think that has not been true in "the industry" for a decade now. Marketing, upper-management are the ones steering the ships now — engineers just row.

Maybe that's why Google has made a few dozen amazing things while FB has made basically one thing and acquired the rest. A culture that respects engineering leadership.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ben_w »

User23 wrote: post #10
ashleyn wrote: post #2

This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

Oracle is doing just fine. And if I had to trade places with Mark Zuckerberg or Larry Ellison, well, I’d say it’s not even close, but that implies there’s a metric at all.

Which would you choose?

If I had to trade places with one of those two, I’d pick Ellison. I didn’t even bother to look up their (theoretical) net worths, because at that scale it no longer makes a difference; what does make a difference to me is Ellison’s face isn’t regularly in the news attached both to stories about how they engage in censorship by removing people who break the site rules, and to other stories about how they take sides by failing to remove politicians who violate the site rules.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

I have to wonder if job satisfaction at Facebook has a very binomial distribution. This is pretty much true at any large corp, where there can be a ton of variation between teams, but from the outside looking in it seems that Facebook basically has a dichotomy:

On one hand you have teams working on interesting and industry-leading tech, like React, GraphQL, Oculus, etc. But on the other you have legions of people working to make the money machine printing, and I've got to think most of that work sucks: the nitty-gritty of keeping the site up, content moderation teams, all the ad plumbing. A lot of that stuff would be good for a new grad to learn how stuff works at such large scale, but that's the cohort who I think would be most turned off by Facebook's social/brand problems.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by travoc »

azangru wrote: post #37
tenpies wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Is it? I've always liked the perspective that Facebook's product, to governments, beyond mass surveillance, is societal stability (or lack there of). If there's one company that could almost single-handedly cause an actual insurrection in…

> If there's one company that could almost single-handedly cause an actual insurrection in the United States, it's Facebook Why not Twitter?

Facebook is (was?) used by the masses. Twitter is mostly the same group of influential people talking to each other.

Source: https://mashable.com/article/twitter-pew-study-echo-chambers

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by indymike »

fullshark wrote: post #12
civilized wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB is already a legacy company in my opinion. It makes no products I am interested in using and gives no indication of ever doing so. I will never call them Meta and it's going to be funny when no one else does either. They haven't earned it. Google, whatever its problems, gives some indication of keeping up with the times. Aside from undisputed leadership in AI, there are the little things: they recently overhauled…

The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? Google is in “accumulate capital to deploy the next technological shift” mode, Facebook is trying to make that shift a reality (Waymo excepted).

> The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you?

I'm not sure the metaverse play really is anything other than continuing the same thinking that led to Facebook login required for Oculus. The idea is probably to roll out VR no differently than rolling out emoji reactions. It's what you do when you get big. 1B users * 10% using new feature = BIG NEW USER BASE and you get to report growth for years as 10% turns into 20%.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by twobitshifter »

foepys wrote: post #28
twobitshifter wrote: post #16

People may be more willing to hop, but they'll be able find new hires. Check out the number of applicants to any "Meta" job opening on LinkedIn.

Everybody compensating like FAANG does will find new hires. The question is: are they the best?

Competing question: Do you need the best?

Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp are built. They have their management systems and structures in place. It would be wrong to think that everyone at Facebook needs to be a genius for the company to succeed, and putting a genius into many of the roles that are needed to keep the company operating won't work out well for either the genius or the company.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by dsabanin »

01100011 wrote: post #40

If my inbox is any indication, hiring has picked back up in the last month. Tons of interest from big companies (Google, FB, door dash, and lots of smaller companies). It seems a bit odd to me as I thought the end of the year was usually a slow time for staffing.

I had the same observation.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by kwere »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #20
ashleyn wrote: post #2

This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

> forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference Are engineers really the ones driving at the company? I think that has not been true in "the industry" for a decade now. Marketing, upper-management are the ones steering the ships now — engineers just row.

i dont think a tech company will move away from a engineer centric focus, everyone which dared disappeared. Oracle as patent company is a different story
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