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Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how this all went so horrifically wrong.

lol, it might take decades to massage public consciousness for a desired outcome in the state's interest, but it certainly doesn't take that long to get a handle on the actual issues: institutions used up all their credibility on transparently obvious misinformation. It started with the WHO, an organization already hurting in that regard (Mugabe the goodwill ambassador... hard to top that kind of contempt), misrepresenting their Wuhan fact finding efforts. Then you had US politicians calling early efforts xenophobic and encouraging people to gather in chinatown to stick it to the racists, followed by the CDC saying masks weren't effective, before they were, and then weren't - and then double-masking. All while the stats were clearly going screwy, people suddenly stopped dying of anything but covid - the long running influenza tracking efforts were halted (or announced, but then reversed?)... oh, and obviously George Floyd tested positive. Mentions of "herd immunity" were scrubbed from the CDC's site, and the word "vaccine" redefined. So that is what went wrong: you can't expect appeals to authority to work when the authorities have seemingly gone out of their way to present themselves as liars who are trying to manipulate you by any means available to them.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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It's not much use if the data isn't broken down by age, as that is an enormous risk factor with Covid. Here's some better data, from the UK: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... The relevant data is on Table 4, page 15. Eg: For the 30-39 age group, Covid death rate amongst the unvaccinated was 0.7 per 100,000, and it was 0.1 per 100,000 for the double vaccinated. For the over 80 age group,…

The site links to the full PDF report, which has the data by age groups:

* https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/Cases-and-D...

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

#43
post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how this all went so horrifically wrong. Hopefully we will investigate why almost all (rare) deaths after vaccination can be attributed to only 5% of lot numbers, a statistical anomaly with no easy explanation since this power-law curve appears in the data for both mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) and non-mRNA (J&J) shots. Could the reason be variance in manufacturing or di…

I don't understand. If there are very few cases of deaths, say 50, then they'll affect at most 50 lot numbers, so a small percentage of them, presumably. What is the anomaly? (And btw the birthday paradox shows that the probability that one of the lots has more than one death is not negligible either.) So, a careful analysis is needed.

Note also that people that input spurious VAERS entries might invent most of the entry, but not know the format of a lot number, and thus copy one from some other entry.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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post #39
post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

This data wasn't a random sample so we can't use it to quantify the difference in risk of infection.

We can't assume that there are no biases, but we can certainly use it to quantify the difference. ETA: And, if someone now wants to argue that the vaccine does not work, they will have to come up with a plausible 20x confounder. Which in itself would be quite an achievement.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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post #5

I'm not sure the infection rates are reliable: vaccinated folks are much more likely to be asymptomatic or experience mild symptoms, so are much less likely to be tested to confirm infection vs. unvaccinated ones.

Death rates should be pretty reliable, though.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

#46
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We believe... I'm vaccinated but had no idea I had such representation on HN, I believe you should speak for yourself sir.

If you disagree, you're wrong, because the GP comment reflects the best currently-available information. Are you OK with being wrong? That's been the weirdest part of this whole business for me... learning just how many people simply don't care if they're wrong.

Are you serious dude relax. It’s ridiculous for someone to say “we” like every vaccinated person acts exactly the same across the whole country, much less the world.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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It's not much use if the data isn't broken down by age, as that is an enormous risk factor with Covid. Here's some better data, from the UK: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... The relevant data is on Table 4, page 15. Eg: For the 30-39 age group, Covid death rate amongst the unvaccinated was 0.7 per 100,000, and it was 0.1 per 100,000 for the double vaccinated. For the over 80 age group,…

Wonder how that compares to the flu and the flu shot?

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

#48
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We believe... I'm vaccinated but had no idea I had such representation on HN, I believe you should speak for yourself sir.

If you disagree, you're wrong, because the GP comment reflects the best currently-available information. Are you OK with being wrong? That's been the weirdest part of this whole business for me... learning just how many people simply don't care if they're wrong.

I believe most people willing to tell just anyone their beliefs are likely dishonest, and most the honest people are less forthcoming with their beliefs, in part just to avoid potentially having to lie.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they take a covid test if they believe they are immune?

Because vaccinated people mostly don't believe they're immune. We believe we have a strong protection against infection and a stronger protection against death, but that doesn't mean immunity. My wife and I have been fully vaccinated since May, but we've had several tests since then (so far all negative) when we learned about contact with infected people or were experiencing suspicious symptoms.

Everyone is different and will have a different lifestyle/environment. It’s completely normal for someone to not have taken a test over the last 6 months.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set.

Look I agree that vaccines confer a reduction in risk, but you really shouldn't be referring to ivermectin as “horse paste”. That is clearly pejorative misinformation, and is equivalent to calling all antibiotics “cow pills” just because there happen to be antibiotics administered to livestock.

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