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Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

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Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

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> An interesting wrinkle about net interest is that most customers don’t contribute much. In much of the U.S., median checking account balances at account creation are only around $3,000 Thats a lot of money not in crypto or stocks. Surprising.

I grew up hearing 6 months expenses liquid cash on hand at all times

And that most people don’t have $2,000 for emergencies

So for a common amount to be $3,000 deposited is surprising

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

#42
post #21

> An interesting wrinkle about net interest is that most customers don’t contribute much. In much of the U.S., median checking account balances at account creation are only around $3,000 Thats a lot of money not in crypto or stocks. Surprising.

If you think that having $3,000 in a checking account is being wasteful because that's a "lot of money", you shouldn't be buying stocks or crypto.

I dont think that

I thought the common amount deposited would be like 1/10th of what the article said

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

#43
The beginning of this article is a fairy tale that ignores what used to be one of the biggest drivers of revenue for banks: overdraft fees. Maybe the HN crowd has never been in a situation where they were auto-billed into a negative balance, which then caused an overdraft fee that then further drove their balance into negative territory, but this was a weekly/monthly fiasco for millions of Americans.

I was once in a meeting with one of the senior executives at JPMorgan, where the guy smugly told me he felt they were “doing a service for the community” by charging people overdraft fees. After leaving the meeting, my very senior colleague said, “I had to hold myself back from throwing that guy out of his window.”

These sorts of articles — half PR, half history lesson — tend to leave out these sorts of politically inconvenient but important bits of history. It’s so much work to unpack the bias...

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

#44

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Not to mention everyday expenses. You can't pay your rent or phone bill with stocks or cryptocurrency.

It really depends where on the income and wealth ladder you are. Lower and middle income, cash is king. Upper income, you’re as invested as possible and you’re able to pay for expenses with a combination of credit/margin, investment income, and comp (salary and equity liquidation). You’re keeping as little cash on hand as possible because “cash is trash” and doesn’t keep up with inflation such that assets do.

You still need a buffer to pay for expenses...$3000 to someone with Upper Income is not a lot. I don't think anyone is liquidating assets to pay for their electric bill.

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

#45
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Why in the world wouldn't you want to do it.

Sounds like you've never had a car break down. Or a relative get hurt on the other side of the country. Or been seriously ill. Or unemployed. Or had a major appliance break. Or a million other things that happen to people every single day.

The discussion was about debit card vs credit card, not about the credit.

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

#46
post #22

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Good advice, but only if you pay off your balance in full every month to avoid the huge interest charges.

Why in the world wouldn't you want to do it.

My credit score goes down unless I carry some revolving balance.

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

#47
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Why in the world wouldn't you want to do it.

Can want.

With or without a credit card it's still spending what you don't have. The credit card just makes it easier to ignore the fact that you're in dire financial straights.

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

#48
post #4

Use credit card, it’s the card issuers that are on the hook for fraud. It’ll help you build credit. Use debit when you don’t have the means or credit history.

Australian here. Don’t use credit card, setup a separate account for bills, direct debit everything from there, don’t keep anything big on your debit card and use it with Apple Pay everywhere. No fraud, no fees, no complex things and rules to remember.

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why in the world wouldn't you want to do it.

Sounds like you've never had a car break down. Or a relative get hurt on the other side of the country. Or been seriously ill. Or unemployed. Or had a major appliance break. Or a million other things that happen to people every single day.

How does this change with a debit card?

Re: Debit cards are hidden financial infrastructure

#50
The credit to debit card ratio is something the Australian banking regulator looks at too. The charge fees in EFT/POS have become a significant issue when there is a floor fee for small transactions. During covid, cash handling nosedived and paywave exploded. Now, many coffee shops and traders who used to do cash are stuck with a market acceptable price for coffee, but bank charges on card processing which eats their margins in fees they can't easily pass on. Other traders have gone back to $10 minimum for card type rules.
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