Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Try charging on the right and not on the left

apple.stackexchange.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 80 posts

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#41

Post by amarshall »

discardable_dan wrote: post #24
xgbi wrote: post #3

This doesn't make sense, and I'm a bit worried: I "cheaped" out and have a "left side only USB-C" MBPro from 2019. Should I understand that having any kind of load on the measly 2 ports I have on my 1600€ computer will lead to abysmal performance? Like, attaching a USB hub to add basic necessity like HDMI or USB A?

I have a 2019 MBP that runs hot because it's supporting an external monitor. The year before every laptop became a WFH desktop, Apple decided that running an external monitor could be a massive heat issue and nobody would care. It's literally burning out my work laptop, and soon I'll have to ask IT for a new one. Apple doesn't care, though: they already got paid. As I understand it, though, most of the thermal issues…

There hasn’t been a north bridge for nearly a decade, it’s all in the CPU. With no corresponding north bridge, Intel renamed the south bridge to platform controller hub (or just PCH).

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#43

Post by toxik »

bierjunge wrote: post #31
nikanj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. But the computer is very, very, very thin. Which sells more computers than actual performance under load. Benchmarks show the MB having decent performance, as they start cold and don’t have external devices attached either. Thermal throttling only shows up once you’ve already bought

I have the 2019 MBP 16" with i9 inside and it's terrible for any task heavier than browsing the internet or watching cat videos. Running CMake + gcc on a bigger project? The fans start running like crazy. The performance of the i9 is awesome, at least for the first 1-2 minutes, after that the CPU is throttling you back to the 90's and the fans are spinning even louder. But this is not even the funniest issue with it.…

Pulling 100W on a laptop is pretty impressive though, that’s insane. Can you attach two chargers?

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#44

Post by cwoolfe »

I noticed my 2019 MacBook Pro physically hot to touch even after being idle for 8 hours at night. Now I unplug my USB-C monitor and USB-C-to-USB-A adapter at the end of the day and that has solved the problem. Now when I come to the machine in the morning, it is nice and cool, and I plug-in my peripherals again. It seems Apple has noticed this sub-par pro performance and moved back to the MagSafe charger in the latest pro models. Also, for the cynical among us, I would like to point out that each issue I've had with a MacBook, Apple has fixed for free. Don't assume they wont fix it until you take it to the Apple Store and ask.

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#45

Post by ordiel »

Apple hardware quality and the design decisions have gone to shit since jobs died. The folks thet were feed up with the hype of his return to a diying company (and with a good reason, since the company really improved) are the ones keeping the company alive... In my opinion unless something changes it wont take long for it to be the dying company they use to be... They have a grat "body" but they lack the "heart" (and apparently the brain also)

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#46

Post by officeplant »

toxik wrote: post #43
bierjunge wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the 2019 MBP 16" with i9 inside and it's terrible for any task heavier than browsing the internet or watching cat videos. Running CMake + gcc on a bigger project? The fans start running like crazy. The performance of the i9 is awesome, at least for the first 1-2 minutes, after that the CPU is throttling you back to the 90's and the fans are spinning even louder. But this is not even the funniest issue with it.…

Pulling 100W on a laptop is pretty impressive though, that’s insane. Can you attach two chargers?

Trying to keep that hardware to 100W is insane given similarly spec'd windows laptops will have up to 250w chargers and sometimes two of them if you have serious GPU power.

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#47

Post by alpaca128 »

easton wrote: post #25
gambiting wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you? My i5-10300H equipped laptop drives two external monitors daily and the fans don't even start in normal use. Maybe specify which laptop? The M1 can't even support two monitors plugged in directly, which is a joke for a machine this expensive.

The new MacBooks from a few weeks ago can due to Apple putting some effort into the GPU. I think they’re talking about the Intel MacBook Pro, which had meh cooling from what I hear. (Although if you want to see bad cooling, try out a Surface. Throttle city after anything strenuous.)

> if you want to see bad cooling, try out a Surface. Throttle city after anything strenuous

Implying Apple's cooling is any better? Both build difficult to repair devices tuned only for looks. Whether it's the Macbook that literally doubles its performance if you build a custom cooler that prevents throttling, or the Surface Book that you can't use at full performance for long because the charger cannot deliver enough power to sustain it.

Nobody can cheat thermodynamics, and attaching "Pro" to the name doesn't make it go faster either. I just hope I can keep buying "normal" laptops. They're ugly and noisy, but at least I know they can be fixed without melting off the keyboard or the repair guy telling me it's water damage when it isn't.

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#48

Post by drclau »

ordiel wrote: post #45

Apple hardware quality and the design decisions have gone to shit since jobs died. The folks thet were feed up with the hype of his return to a diying company (and with a good reason, since the company really improved) are the ones keeping the company alive... In my opinion unless something changes it wont take long for it to be the dying company they use to be... They have a grat "body" but they lack the "heart" (an…

Yeah, Apple hardware may be worse than it used to be. But as far as I can tell, it's still at the top. Can you point out a company that consistently makes better hardware than Apple does?

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#49

Post by officeplant »

Pelam wrote: post #29

I have set up several macs to spin up the fans more aggressively. Subjectively this seems to help a lot. And the noise is not much worse, because eventually they spin at full blast anyway; just a bit too late when presumably thermal throttling is already hitting.

yep, started using smcfancontrol in 2008 due to Jobs insistence on silent horrible stock fan curves. Only stopped due to M1 Mini's not needing my input on fan speed.

Re: Try charging on the right and not on the left

#50

Post by counternotions »

cwoolfe wrote: post #44

I noticed my 2019 MacBook Pro physically hot to touch even after being idle for 8 hours at night. Now I unplug my USB-C monitor and USB-C-to-USB-A adapter at the end of the day and that has solved the problem. Now when I come to the machine in the morning, it is nice and cool, and I plug-in my peripherals again. It seems Apple has noticed this sub-par pro performance and moved back to the MagSafe charger in the lates…

Was there an Apple Store response for the overheating / overnight-charging problem?
Post reply on HN