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Re: Google Chrome, Google's Browser Project

#41
This is tremendously exciting. There are tons of comments here that are insinuating that Google is doing this to screw over Mozilla somehow. I think this is bogus:

1) I know the comic was long, but they explicitly cover their agenda -- they're taking the time and money to make some hard decisions about the browser that really need to be made (or at least investigated), like separate processes per tab / embedded-object, aggressive javascript revisions and embedding features that are relevant to the new world of applications design.

2) Mozilla sending impressions to Google is still money in Google's pocket. Judging from Mozilla's $millions cut, it's handsome change, too. They have no incentive to kill this golden goose.

3) With all due respect to the (tens of?) thousands of people that have contributed to Netscape/Mozilla/Firefox, why should we even care about Mozilla/FF? When the Mozilla codebase was open sourced, it was roughly equivalent to NS6, which was a dog compared to IE (remember why even the majority of geeks was using IE5/5.5? NS4 was an ancient PoS and NS6 was glacially slow and horrendously unpolished). A lot of us only cared about NS because it ran on the open source OSes we preferred to use, and it represented an alternative to the MS-only world we saw coming our way otherwise. I don't see how Webkit isn't better than the Mozilla codebase in any metric you can throw at it.

Conspiracy theorists: Stand down. Sure, a monopolistic Google would be as bad as any other monopoly, but I don't think this is the keystone piece to the formation of the new evil empire.

Re: Google Chrome, Google's Browser Project

#42
post #34

This is a competitor in the AIR / silverlight / JavaFX space Javascript can be enormously faster: compare ActionScript 2.0 and 3.0, which are implementations of ECMAscript (which Javascript is also) in Adobe's Flash. If Google can basically get these things right - local persistence, speed and animation tools - the Web OS that Microsoft has greatly feared will be finally upon us...

Who knows but that what's next on Google's plate is a great implementation of SVG or whatever, to be a completely open alternative to AIR and Silverlight. I think we can almost expect it.

Re: Google Chrome, Google's Browser Project

#43
Well, this can't be anything but good for (us) users.

It's a bit peculiar though, how both the recently published IE8 and now "Chrome" both have tabs isolated.

I hope Opera will be able to keep up with all the competition!

The inventors of Mouse Gestures & Speed Dial etc deserve quite a bit of respect.

Re: Google Chrome, Google's Browser Project

#46
post #35

What's the angle for actually getting folks to use this browser? It's taken years to get mom-and-dad to using Firefox.

If I was them, I'd be looking at:

- selling it as a corporate intranet platform -- in fact, knowing Google, this is probably already in beta internally

- similarly, convincing corporations to make it the installed browser of choice, due to improved security

- selling a low-priced GooglePC, or even giving it away. Preconfigured internet with some partner, and make Chrome the default and only shell, with prominent links to Google apps.

- putting it on cell phones via Android? But it sounds like the Android team is going with WebKit and not Chrome just yet.

Re: Google Chrome, Google's Browser Project

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, assuming it uses a pristine WebKit backend, you should only have to test in one browser with the same WebKit build. :) I guess that might be idealistic thinking, but hopefully it pans out.

They seem to be using their own javascript engine, so it might need separate testing because of that. Although if it becomes popular enough, most javascript libraries and frameworks will surely support it.

You can bet they will. The V8 engine is unlikely to present much of an obstacle. We have a large JS codebase and the Opera, WebKit (Safari), Spidermonkey (Gecko/Firebird), Rhino (Spidermonkey port to Java) and JScript (IE6/7) engines are no hassle to support.

The hard part is DOM interaction and styling. But as they're using WebKit and are putting a lot of effort into compatibility - this should be a breeze.

The really hard work is support for IE6. 1990s JS assumptions, very bad and inconsistent DOM behaviour, etc.

New, open JS engines with a different take on executing JS (Tamarin, V8) are wonderful news for JS developers everywhere. And consumers too, of course.

Re: Google Chrome, Google's Browser Project

#48
post #13

I don't like the idea of YAB, yet another browser. It's absolutely necessary that we have competition but it's way too easy to dilute the market. It's like the problem of too much choice. We all face it. We go to the store and are greeted with 10 slightly different versions of the same product. Mint toothpaste, mint with extra-whitening, mint-flavored baking soda toothpaste. I don't want to buy one that tastes bad. T…

The browser war was based on distribution, not marketing. Now this will be a war based on money, not distribution. Will Google continue to pay and support Mozilla Foundation? Because once that's gone...

That is an interesting question. (An is it evil question ).

I guess it comes down to what they are trying to achieve with the browser in the first place. Is it improving the web experience or creating a dominant browser?

I think it's likely that the latter will creep in once they're at it for a few years. But for now the first seems to be a pretty important goal. For now, Firefox is a pretty important way to further that goal. And for now, Google seems happy enough to sink some cash into that goal. $15m-$20m p/y is probably a reasonable sum (compare to other expenses in this area) as long as A: Firefox significantly improves the web for users & B: That is a Google goal that they're willing to pay for.

It's not charity either. What's default search worth on the open market? Probably something.

Re: Google Chrome, Google's Browser Project

#49
post #45

That presentation is amazing. Everyone else (adobe, microsoft, sun, ibm, w3c) must be shi*%@ng themselves! I can't wait to use it. I'm sick of FF's crap memory footprint and single processes. Bring it.

Agreed on the presentation.

What struck me is how technical it was (for a comic book quick overview). It's obviously geared towards developers--they really wanted to plant their flag in the sand and say "we're doing this: here is why it is good."

Re: Google Chrome, Google's Browser Project

#50
As someone who is fed up when Flash crashes and takes down the whole browser IT'S ABOUT TIME someone put each tab on a separate thread! The small performance penalty will pay for itself abundantly with the improved stability it will provide.
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