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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by Causality1 »

bigyellow wrote: post #38
Causality1 wrote: post #27

I'm itching for the day Framework starts offering a touchpad with physical mouse buttons.

Same, really not a fan of the dumbed-down Apple look laptops are heading in. Look to old school Thinkpads if you want "Linux-friendly" inspiration.

I just don't understand how everyone but me seems to just be okay with not knowing where left click stops and right click starts. They're just fine with having the pointer jiggle around whenever they click because their thumb doesn't stay perfectly centered while pressing down.

How do people live like this?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by ksec »

maltalex wrote: post #23
marcodiego wrote: post #10

From https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop : “ There has been immense interest in this configuration, with it outselling pre-configured systems with Windows 10 by a wide margin.” There is a market. And it is currently under-served.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

That is a very good point. Especially when the cost of Windows is priced out explicitly starting at $139.

I think the one thing we have ( or should have ) learned. Is the paradox of computing. Bill Gate said all hardware will be free. Because the cost is driven down so quickly. And it will be software that rules the world. That was late 90s and early 00s. And it make sense. Because software development is getting more expensive.

It turns out no consumer is willing to paid for software. The vast majority of consumer market wants software to be free. And they are only paying for the product ( both software and hardware ). Most developers were surprised at their iOS copies sold compared to their macOS software. Where iOS had 10x the market size, but only sold less than half of what they did on macOS. That is a 20x difference.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by sneak »

nrp wrote: post #17
atemerev wrote: post #6

“We only deliver to the US and Canada”. OK, will have to stay with my Macbook.

We’re actively building the infrastructure to launch in additional countries. It’s a challenging logistical environment at the moment, but we very much built and certified the product to be broadly available, and we are reminded of the interest in that daily!

What infrastructure is required other than charging extra for shipping? I ship stuff from the US to other countries all of the time.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by sneak »

y7 wrote: post #18
throwaway473825 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but Apple also charges a hefty premium outside the US. Just look at the prices of Apple products in the US and the EU, and then compare with Samsung/Google/OnePlus. Whatever makes Apple products more expensive in the EU doesn't appear to apply to anyone else.

Maybe it's related to the warranty? Apple sells AppleCare separately, but it's basically a warranty that's already guaranteed under EU consumer law. So in the EU they should factor this into the price.

I thought the EU mandate was 2 years, and AppleCare+ is 2 additional for a total (in the USA) of 3?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by weberer »

throwaway473825 wrote: post #12
dagw wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, say what you want about Apple, but they seem to be one of the few tech companies that manage to ship all their products in all their configurations to almost all countries. So many times I read a review for something interesting sounding only to find out that that version isn't sold where I happen to live.

Yeah, but Apple also charges a hefty premium outside the US. Just look at the prices of Apple products in the US and the EU, and then compare with Samsung/Google/OnePlus. Whatever makes Apple products more expensive in the EU doesn't appear to apply to anyone else.

That's most likely due to VAT adding a 17-27% tax depending on the country. If you check your receipt, it will show you what the price was before tax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax...

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

maltalex wrote: post #23
marcodiego wrote: post #10

From https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop : “ There has been immense interest in this configuration, with it outselling pre-configured systems with Windows 10 by a wide margin.” There is a market. And it is currently under-served.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

There is no need to pirate windows anymore, there are tons of entirely legit windows 10 pro licenses for sale at <3€.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by dagw »

weberer wrote: post #45
throwaway473825 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but Apple also charges a hefty premium outside the US. Just look at the prices of Apple products in the US and the EU, and then compare with Samsung/Google/OnePlus. Whatever makes Apple products more expensive in the EU doesn't appear to apply to anyone else.

That's most likely due to VAT adding a 17-27% tax depending on the country. If you check your receipt, it will show you what the price was before tax. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax...

It's not that. A $800 iPhone and a $900 Samsung (US prices) will often end up costing the the same in the EU

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by xanaxagoras »

Causality1 wrote: post #41
bigyellow wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, really not a fan of the dumbed-down Apple look laptops are heading in. Look to old school Thinkpads if you want "Linux-friendly" inspiration.

I just don't understand how everyone but me seems to just be okay with not knowing where left click stops and right click starts. They're just fine with having the pointer jiggle around whenever they click because their thumb doesn't stay perfectly centered while pressing down. How do people live like this?

it's not hard, here's how i do it on a laptop w/gnome:

left click -> entire trackpad

right click -> 2 fingers entire trackpad or control + entire trackpad

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by pengaru »

LNSY wrote: post #40

I'm left handed and track-pads have never agreed with me. Other people on this site have recommended the MNT Reform to me: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform It seems like a different flavor of an open source laptop that people who want a better keyboard and has the option of a trackball (!!!) instead of the trackpad. I think the MNT is going to be my next laptop, but the Frame.work is pretty cool.

The mnt is far more open as well, but there's no comparison in the performance department... you'd have to treat the mnt more like a very underpowered, memory-constrained netbook.
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