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DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Gross. Wolt was in my mind one of the less amoral delivery services. It's delivery staff are (soon to be were I'm sure) actual employees.

The delivery staff definitely aren't/weren't actual employees. They all have some kind of business entity set up that they use to bill Wolt

Depends on the market i guess, but in Finland and Germany they were employees, freelance isn't even an option.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Jesus, this is exactly the problem, If you don't want to pay the people who deliver your food to your lazy ass a fair salary don't use food delivery. Go get your own food. In my opinion it should be even more than €3 for most deliveries, I think this is subsidized by VC money and unfair conditions to the delivery people.

It's not just lazy people that rely on these services. It's disabled people too.

Won't somebody think of the children?

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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It definitely won't get cheaper. 3 euros seems a completely reasonable price for this delivery.

Most other deliveries are cheaper even if they are 15mins driving distance. And some of them are free. The only reason McDonalds delivery is 3euros, because they refuse to pay 30% tax - so Wolt puts that tax on end-user.

So you expect that Mc will suddenly start giving them the 30%? Or that they’re going to start delivering completely for free (no fee & no cut from the restaurant)?

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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It's still an open question whether this is legal in some countries, e.g. Denmark. It's being argued heavily that Wolt shouldn't be allowed to avoid pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers. The competing Just Eat have just signed a union agreement with couriers which includes full benefits, without increasing prices for customers.

>pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers Wait do you mean that someone like a janitor has all these benefits?

In Europe, yes. All of these are mandatory for all workers, including janitors and other staff.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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As almost-daily user of Wolt, I'm interested to see how this will impact me. Maybe I finally won't have to pay 3 euros for McDonalds to get delivered for a 10minute walking distance.

In German we have an expression for your condition: Wohlstandsverwahrlosung.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

#46
post #32

Gross. Wolt was in my mind one of the less amoral delivery services. It's delivery staff are (soon to be were I'm sure) actual employees.

73% [1] of couriers don't want to be employees (in Finland). They are quite happy with this arrangement as it means they are paid more. The survey that was conducted was quite thorough and interesting. It's worth a read. (Just stating facts here, don't have an opinion myself on this) [1] https://blog.wolt.com/fin/2021/06/23/taloustutkimus-majority...

Classic short-term fallacy. Yes, you get more net payout as a "contractor" - but you don't get paid sick leave or pension contributions unless you care for these on your own.

This is why this model is very frowned upon by European societies as it inevitably leaves taxpayers to pick up the tab in the form of basic social security.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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post #41
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The delivery staff definitely aren't/weren't actual employees. They all have some kind of business entity set up that they use to bill Wolt

Depends on the market i guess, but in Finland and Germany they were employees, freelance isn't even an option.

Def not in Finland. The question whether the freelance status is legal or whether the couriers should be classified as employees is still open. There was a preliminary decision that they are employees but the court process is still ongoing.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Why would the EU approve the deal? Seems like a no brainer to reject it.

Because the EU and the member states don't have jurisdiction to block every single company in the market from being acquired.

And wolt is not exactly sensitive to national security interests or at risk of creating a monopoly

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still an open question whether this is legal in some countries, e.g. Denmark. It's being argued heavily that Wolt shouldn't be allowed to avoid pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers. The competing Just Eat have just signed a union agreement with couriers which includes full benefits, without increasing prices for customers.

>pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers Wait do you mean that someone like a janitor has all these benefits?

If they are regular employee of any company yes. They have all of them.
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