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Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by 0xbkt » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:22 PM UTC

dx034 wrote: post #31

Any info on what DC they use? So far they've run everything themselves which made them slower to expand but was much cheaper to run. If they now use other DC providers it would explain why they only offer the higher margin cloud servers there. But would be curious if anyone knows where the data center is physically located. With their other ones they're also quite open about it so I was surprised they didn't mention…

NTT/RagingWire VA1.

Here's the details about the sea shipment that was sent from Hetzner Online GmbH in Germany to the US subsidiary: https://www.importgenius.com/importers/hetzner-us

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by returnofzyx » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:23 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #24

returnofzyx wrote: post #16

Hetzner has a seriously flawed fraud detection system. There are multiple documented review complaints. Seriously, try opening an account from a third world / low income country (non EU/US/UK/CA/AU/NZ), your order will be flagged immediately. If they don't want orders from those countries, they should explicitly say so.

Had the same issue trying to open an IBM cloud account recently. After submitting my CC info the system told me to get in touch via email, and after contacting them they wanted two official documents (Driver’s License and Passport) to be submitted via email. Big nope from me.

Hetzner will actually refuse your order after you submit your documents with no valid reasons whatsoever. At a point, you just give up and ask your EU co-workers to spin up dedicated servers for you.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by tmikaeld » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:24 PM UTC

ptman wrote: post #19

o_m wrote: post #14

I don't know how to feel about this. One the one hand this is good for sites that needs to be more global. But I mainly build stuff for Europe and I don't want anything to do with USA when storing personal data. I hope they keep the seperation between Europe and US clear.

I think the main thing for GDPR is that US based employees should not have access to manage EU datacenters remotely.

Why would an US employee leak personal data just because they’re in the US? It would be a clear violation of employment and probably criminal.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by returnofzyx » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:32 PM UTC

Hetzner_OL wrote: post #26

returnofzyx wrote: post #16

Hetzner has a seriously flawed fraud detection system. There are multiple documented review complaints. Seriously, try opening an account from a third world / low income country (non EU/US/UK/CA/AU/NZ), your order will be flagged immediately. If they don't want orders from those countries, they should explicitly say so.

Country of origin is not the sole reason we reject some orders. Most orders are rejected because of more than one red flag. We do have customers from "high-risk" countries. We also reject many European orders that appear to be fake, or that are far enough along the "possibly risky" scale. It is not a perfect art, but our team is constantly tinkering to improve our methods. We find that being overly cautious helps us…

Hetzner's definition of "high risk" orders is certainly geographically biased. If you're worried about invoice payments, consider a prepaid credits model.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by nuerow » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:33 PM UTC

olavgg wrote: post #10

I've had a the smallest cloud instance for a few years now, it is in fact really good and fast. 1vcpu with 2GB ram is plenty for a full stack web application + a database. IO is also very good with stable ~8000 iops write performance for 4k sync. Compared to Azure VM instances, Hetzner offers like 100x more performance for each $ spent.

> Compared to Azure VM instances, Hetzner offers like 100x more performance for each $ spent.

So much this. I can't stress enough how awesome of a deal are Hetzner Cloud's offerings. I've also been running a personal Docker Swarm cluster on Hetzner for the past two years and I couldn't be happier with the way it performs. And how refreshing it is to actually be able to predict and control costs, and have absolutely no worry in the world regarding what might pop up in the invoice. If only this was true for any other cloud provider.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by vlovich123 » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:42 PM UTC

tmikaeld wrote: post #40

o_m wrote: post #14

I don't know how to feel about this. One the one hand this is good for sites that needs to be more global. But I mainly build stuff for Europe and I don't want anything to do with USA when storing personal data. I hope they keep the seperation between Europe and US clear.

If you setup the server in the EU why would anyone in US have access to it?

This is such a far departure from where I was hoping the Internet would look like growing up. Makes me sad political borders are now viewed as a feature.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by School-Cotton » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:44 PM UTC

pantalaimon wrote: post #21

erwan wrote: post #8

For me, Hetzner, Starlink, and Tailscale are 2014-era startups: stellar products that turn you into a zealous militant for the companies. This is a very exciting development. I am very much looking forward to their dedicated offering extending to the US.

How is Tailscale, just another VPN provider, comparable to Hetzner and Starlink? I smell covert advertisement…

With tailscale you press one button and it magically works, no endless fucking around with OpenVPN config files.

I have no business connection to them but am an extremely happy free tier user.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by oblio » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:44 PM UTC

vlovich123 wrote: post #46

tmikaeld wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you setup the server in the EU why would anyone in US have access to it?

This is such a far departure from where I was hoping the Internet would look like growing up. Makes me sad political borders are now viewed as a feature.

The internet can't just paper over the fact that there are fundamental differences on how people do things across the world.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by Luc » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:45 PM UTC

0xbkt wrote: post #41

dx034 wrote: post #31

Any info on what DC they use? So far they've run everything themselves which made them slower to expand but was much cheaper to run. If they now use other DC providers it would explain why they only offer the higher margin cloud servers there. But would be curious if anyone knows where the data center is physically located. With their other ones they're also quite open about it so I was surprised they didn't mention…

NTT/RagingWire VA1. Here's the details about the sea shipment that was sent from Hetzner Online GmbH in Germany to the US subsidiary: https://www.importgenius.com/importers/hetzner-us

Now that is a cool database. I'm surprised it's public.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by mol4711 » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 12:46 PM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #36

ptman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the main thing for GDPR is that US based employees should not have access to manage EU datacenters remotely.

That surprises me (not that I'm particularly educated on this), any links to more info on why GDPR requires that?

The Schrems II judgement might be applicable. I know that in the EU-based company I work for we have strict requirement for all cloud providers to comply with Schrems II, and not send/store any personal data to outside EU.

https://www.gdprsummary.com/schrems-ii/