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Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

#41
Why did I never know about Twitter Lists before? Twitter has been unuseable for me because it just feeds me fucked-up shit from people I don't know even though I disabled all the notification options, just like for the author.

Examples: https://kingcharles.one/wtftwitter.png

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Rogan's views are very... normal, almost surely closer to those of the typical person than yours or mine. I'm not gonna go around telling people what they can and can't abhor, but I do think it's important to acknowledge that you're in a strong cultural bubble if you're shocked by the things he says.

Agree, all the noise around him is so strange, when you listen to him he is just a regular and pretty nice guy

My definition of regular and pretty nice guy is not someone who spouts off against men who take parental leave to help their newborn and spouse during her recovery.

https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/joe-rogan-goes-after-pete-...

Or speaks to someone like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbXV4WtfMtA

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

#44
I really like the core idea here: media used to be a push model, social media turned it into a pull model but they're trying to wrest it back. I always hated the push model of social media, which is why most of the online content I consume is via rss, including Twitter [0].

But I never thought of traditional news media media as being a push model. It makes so much intuitive sense when you say it: the reason I read newspapers is, at least in part, I want and trust them to tell me what's happening that's important. That's different than my programming blog subscriptions: I follow them because I've decided what they write is important to me.

It's a subtle difference but very impact-full, and seems correct.

[0] not sure of they actually have rss feeds but my rss reader supports them

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

#45
post #4

Sounded pretty good until "Joe Rogan is also fantastic" at the end there...

Joe Rogan sits squarely at the intersection of "intelligent and curious people who don't vet their sources particularly well" and "batshit-insane folks looking for confirmation of their abhorrent views".

Aka entertainment. That there is a moral panic over watching him tells you more about the people panicking than the people watching him.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

#46
post #30

Sounded pretty good until "Joe Rogan is also fantastic" at the end there...

Who told you to think that, Twitter or Facebook?

What’s the difference between a billion dollar corporation and a million dollar corporation in terms of the content that’s curated and presented to you? Is it that it feels like Joe doesn’t curate his guests? Because I assure you, with the sheer amount of requests he gets, he definitely picks and chooses the guests he has on, even if they’re from across the spectrum of opinion.

The idea of “stop letting people control what you consume but oh here’s a person who controls what you consume, don’t worry it’s fine if it’s Joe” makes no sense. Either it’s fine to receive a filtered worldview from people who provide a platform for opinions, or it’s not. And that’s what’s wrong with including Joe Rogan in this article.

I will give Joe some credit though, what he is not, is an engagement echo chamber, but that was not the argument pitched in this article.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

#48

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I think ivermectin as treatment for a virus counts as snake oil.

This is such a polarised view - there is clinical evidence that suggests it may reduce the symptoms of COVID. Its not a full on miracle cure. The problem is that what should be a medical discussion is now political - and people have drawn battle lines around it. https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/...

This supports your argument that this is polarizing but worth noting that other medical groups have highlighted a ln undisclosed conflict of interest in your linked study and selective data use in the meta analysis.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/30/what-know-abo...

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

#49
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Rogan sits squarely at the intersection of "intelligent and curious people who don't vet their sources particularly well" and "batshit-insane folks looking for confirmation of their abhorrent views".

Joe Rogan's views are very... normal, almost surely closer to those of the typical person than yours or mine. I'm not gonna go around telling people what they can and can't abhor, but I do think it's important to acknowledge that you're in a strong cultural bubble if you're shocked by the things he says.

I'm not personally shocked by things he says, I just think he's not particularly smart and I think he tends to have the same thought processes happening over and over again, which weren't particularly more than sophomoric insightful to begin with.

At best I think he might be useful to discover interviewees that actually have interesting things to say and go from there.

What I am shocked by (and I suspect this is the shock people mostly have) is how some people are like, Joe Rogan fans. Like the article author here. To the point he's the one guy he mentions in the article. He just not that interesting!

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

#50
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Does Rogan run a shop selling trinkets and snake oil? He's a comedian chatting with people and sharing the discussion that you can choose to watch or not. The controversy around him is largely manufactured by a dying corporate media and ruling class threatened by unsanctioned voices. Speaking of being trolled by billionaires...

I think ivermectin as treatment for a virus counts as snake oil.

Was that the only "treatment" he did at the time? No. He also took Monoclonal Antibodies and prednisone. Why didn't you bring that up?

> In addition to mentioning ivermectin, the podcaster, who has previously stated that the young and healthy should not "worry" about being vaccinated against COVID, said he had also taken monoclonal antibodies and prednisone to treat the disease.

> Thus far, three anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody products have been granted Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) by the FDA for the treatment of mild to moderate COVID in high-risk sufferers, though this is different from full FDA approval.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-covid-drugs-ivermectin-mo...

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