This is old information and no longer the case - https://shirtpocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.htm...
Though who knows what types of experimentation, trial and error SuperDuper went through to make it work.
Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
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Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#42I never cared about bootable backups. What is more of a concern is getting data off a non-bootable Mac that has a viable drive, since Apple often replaces the drive as part of servicing.
Isn't the drive encrypted anyway, with the key in T2?
Yes. The only real solution is to backup regularly. (And, if you travel, it probably makes sense to regularly copy any critical work in process to an SD card.)
Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#43Consider options like Framework laptops that let you actually own your hardware, and repair it.
Any PC will let you boot from an external drive if the internal drive fails (or even if it doesn't).
Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#44Consider options like Framework laptops that let you actually own your hardware, and repair it.
Silly idea in tech, the hardware will be long outdated before someone look for parts which are going to be overpriced, and the company might be gone forever. You can buy common business laptops such as thinkpad and swap the parts easily and cheaply. People aren’t swapping their 2011 i3 for a 2011 i7 if they care about performance; they’re getting an i5 from 2018. None of these swappable parts are unique aside from th…
I disagree. My thinkpad x230t is still going strong nearly 10 years later (extreme example). With 16GB of ram and an SSD it's still a decently capable machine.
If you're the type of person that needs the _fastest_ computer then yeah obviously you're upgrading every year. Or if you work on large codebases, etc.
But if you don't care about that, you can easily go 4+ years with your laptop. Yes computers have gotten faster, but the internet is still usable on a 10 year old machine.
I've replaced my battery once already, but consider your keyboard/screen are likely things to break at any point in time with accidents.
And we're comparing this to apple, a company that has been basically DRM'ing components - even if you can buy the replacement you can't use it without it being "programmed" by apple.
EDIT: Also note that the bare minimum models from 10 years ago are likely too slow nowadays, I mean to compare this to the medium-upper range devices of the time, potentially with relatively low cost upgrades like an SSD.
Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Silly idea in tech, the hardware will be long outdated before someone look for parts which are going to be overpriced, and the company might be gone forever. You can buy common business laptops such as thinkpad and swap the parts easily and cheaply. People aren’t swapping their 2011 i3 for a 2011 i7 if they care about performance; they’re getting an i5 from 2018. None of these swappable parts are unique aside from th…
Thinkpads are owned by Lenovo, a known bad actor who installed, for example, rootkits on their own hardware.
If something comes preinstalled with Windows on it, it's going to be rootkitted anyways. There's also an argument to be made where we assume all commercial OSes are backdoored, but I think at this point playing the "muh security" card is a bit of a ruse. If you care about the stuff, you've already installed LTSC/Linux/BSD/Some special Windows distro.
Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Silly idea in tech, the hardware will be long outdated before someone look for parts which are going to be overpriced, and the company might be gone forever. You can buy common business laptops such as thinkpad and swap the parts easily and cheaply. People aren’t swapping their 2011 i3 for a 2011 i7 if they care about performance; they’re getting an i5 from 2018. None of these swappable parts are unique aside from th…
"It's a silly idea in tech, my computer does the same thing". Framework may not be for the purpose of upgrading a laptop incrementally for ten years, but it has the core competency of intending to let you repair every component of your laptop as needed, while having the profile of a slim but powerful machine. They are the anti-apple from that perspective. Your $200 laptop is not as good as the Framework laptop. You e…
I use a used business laptop. My programs don’t care if their being run off depreciated hardware. Even if you bought a new one you’d still have access to all these cheap replacement parts and common skus. It’s still better for replacing parts cheaply and easily.
If you want a repairable device for cheap, you aren’t going to buy new devices from new unknown companies that have a monopoly over the parts production. The aftermarket for iPhone batteries is so good it doesn’t matter if they’re proprietary batteries over open batteries nobody has. Even PinePhone piggybacks off Samsung batteries.
Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#47This is old information and no longer the case - https://shirtpocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.htm...
I'm not sure your link disproves this article. The first paragraph just says bootable backups are supported (they are by CCC too), and the rest of the page hasn't been changed in years.
The SuperDuper blog says:
> Note that, as I indicated above, M1 Macs can't readily boot from external drives. There are things you can do, if you have an external Thunderbolt 3 drive (USB-C isn't sufficient), but even that won't work if the internal drive is dead. Unless things change, bootable backups are basically a thing of the past on M1-based Macs. [0]
in a January article, and I haven't seen anything that contradicts it in more recent articles. Mind linking?
(Note that booting from USB-C is now supported on AS Macs, but booting when the internal drive is dead is not)
[0]: https://www.shirtpocket.com/blog/index.php/shadedgrey/commen...
Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
They want you to take the device to the dealership.
The SSDs of 2015-2017 macbooks start failing and they are soldered on the board. I have a 12" that I can only boot from external now otherwise the device would be dead. With the M1 models you don't even have the chance to do this. Apple won't even change the failed ssds they will sell you a new logic board for the prize of a new machine. It's infuriating and the only reason I won't buy a machine until they make user…
I don't think it will be the price of a new machine, it will be the price of a flat rate repair which is a fixed price for any sort of work past a certain point (as far as the genius bar worker described to me at least). For my 2020 laptop it could explode in a fireball and Apple will repair it for $418 before tax, my flat rate for this laptop.
Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#49This is old information and no longer the case - https://shirtpocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.htm...
Though who knows what types of experimentation, trial and error SuperDuper went through to make it work.
I know that David Nanian and co worked with Apple to address the issue(s) that prevented them from providing a bootable backup.
Re: Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if internal drive failed
#50Unsurprising. Given the countless times I have warned about the risks of going 'all in' on an Apple Silicon Mac and now they realise. Good luck with your files if the internal hard drive is dead. Consider creating regular backups otherwise your can say goodbye to your files. No thanks and absolutely no deal to that.
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