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Re: Remove the Notch

#41

Post by zozbot234 »

fishtacos wrote: post #24
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

I don't understand it either, but it can and should have been easily fixed by a built-in OS feature instead of having to get a separate app for it. Android allows this, for example in developer settings for applicable phones.

AIUI, the Android feature does not actually "hide" the notch properly by turning the top bar dark. It just moves the top bar below the notch, which wastes that portion of screen space. Proper notch hiding is available in many custom ROMs however, it works quite nicely there.

Re: Remove the Notch

#42

Post by codetrotter »

villasv wrote: post #22
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

It doesn't become useless though, the menubar is still there. It just makes the menubar black so the notch is less noticeable.

When the whole menu bar is made black with these modifications, it’s going to look a little bit weird probably because then you don’t see where the notch that “interrupts” menus is, so there will be a more strange looking gap.

I’m still on MacBook Pro M1 2020, so not planning to buy a new machine for a while. But if the notch is there in the model I buy, I’m keeping the notch the way it looks.

But in the end it’s all personal preference, so I’m not trying to protest against what other people choose to do on their desktops. That would be silly of me to do.

Re: Remove the Notch

#43

Post by Tarragon »

munk-a wrote: post #33
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

Personally the thing that really ticks me off is that they "don't allow" you (aka will boot your app if they catch it) to flow content smoothly around the notch. The way it was presented to developers was super obnoxious and, honestly, I don't think anyone would care if their phone was half a centimeter taller. People didn't loathe the iphone back when it had a screen between two bars of utility space.

> they "don't allow" you (aka will boot your app if they catch it) to flow content smoothly around the notch.

I don't understand, details please.

Re: Remove the Notch

#45

Post by yumraj »

chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

> Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I still think it's silly and picayune for people to quibble about the color of the menu bar.

So, basically the original comment was posted before you'd seen the post. Got it.

Though, I did learn a new word today, picayune, so thank you for that.

Re: Remove the Notch

#46

Post by gjsman-1000 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #40
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

There are plenty of people who disagree with the tradeoff who aren't raving lunatics. Any tradeoff will please some people and displease others - it's irrational to assume the displeased are always same people, and are therefore un-pleasable hypocrites. Don't cast aspersions with so little regard.

Maybe Apple knew those who disagreed with the tradeoff would almost certainly get a third-party app like this, and so worrying about them is unimportant because then there are options for both - it's just that that anti-notch group might not like the default.

More options are better than fewer.

Re: Remove the Notch

#48

Post by cassianoleal »

david422 wrote: post #16
smoldesu wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have a menubar that spans across the notch, in which case the behavior changes for some reason to teleport your cursor across the notch. Mind you that this is not the same behavior for statusbar icons for whatever reason, they will reside underneath the notch (yet still accessible for) unless the aforementioned global menu expands beyond the notch, in which case it just starts hiding random statusbar icons…

> behavior changes for some reason to teleport your cursor across the notch Which was always the cardinal sin in mac os HIG - never move the mouse.

It doesn't though. You still have to move it yourself, only instead of it going underneath the notch, it teleports across. Not automatically. You need to move it.

Re: Remove the Notch

#49

Post by chadlavi »

yumraj wrote: post #45
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

> Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I still think it's silly and picayune for people to quibble about the color of the menu bar. So, basically the original comment was posted before you'd seen the post. Got it. Though, I did learn a new word today, picayune , so thank you for that.

I had seen someone on twitter doing what I assumed this was, and it was the only hack related to the notch I had seen on the net. Sorry pal.

(though the meat of my comment still applies here: people will find reasons to complain about everything, they're just doing a different thing about the thing they don't like)

Re: Remove the Notch

#50

Post by arthurcolle »

The iPhone 6S Plus is able to have landscape mode home icons, which they "accidentally" had to deprecate to support the stupid notch on future iPhones. This was a horrible degradation that was obviously meant to guide people to iPad sales if they want a portable machine instead of using an iPhone with a bluetooth keyboard. It's frustrating to spend so much money on a company that literally shits on it's professional class of customers/users. Now, they are introducing a notch on computers for literally no good reason. Apps like the one shown in OP are honestly sad. Nice work making it but this isn't a good long term thing to need to have.

I don't know what to say, Apple might just be a lost cause. Too bad I have spent 10K on computers since 2015 because finally they reintroduce ports and all the shit the spent half a decade saying we would "move beyond" - hopefully there is a class action lawsuit for selling shit that is in retrospect extremely unusable.

Tired of this, it's pretty fucked up

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